Comments on: NFP Takes a Hit http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/ Weblog of the Pro-Life Action League's Youth Outreach Division Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:22:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: holiday http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-263871 holiday Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:43:21 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-263871 <a href="http://dignapedrick.easyfreeforum.com" rel="nofollow">homemade holiday gifts</a> Susan undid her tongue working along your body curved intopats embrace. homemade holiday gifts Susan undid her tongue working along your body curved intopats embrace.

]]> By: Michael http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-1616 Michael Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:27:25 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-1616 I have communicated with the Sam and Bethany Torode numberous times on various forums and read numerous reviews about "Open Embrace". It was almost a foregone conclusion to myself and to many others that they were not going to continue with NFP. Something about their style or their claims just did not set right. That being said, their retreating to FAM, or "NFP + condoms/BJ's" is still within stalking distance of NFP. Since I believe that contraception is like a slow poision in this life, this is 2nd best after NFP for conjugating couples. FAM is often the "training-wheel" NFP of 20somethings. They were just a very young Baptist couple with some stary-eyed idea they pulled out of context because it looked very exotic to their culture and their peers. They have taken a hit. Yes, the posting seems to reflect frustration and a bit of anger. People can sometimes get real flustered over their imperfections. I wish Bethany and Sam the best and hope their marriage and spiritual sojourn continues forever. I have communicated with the Sam and Bethany Torode numberous times on various forums and read numerous reviews about “Open Embrace”. It was almost a foregone conclusion to myself and to many others that they were not going to continue with NFP. Something about their style or their claims just did not set right.

That being said, their retreating to FAM, or “NFP + condoms/BJ’s” is still within stalking distance of NFP. Since I believe that contraception is like a slow poision in this life, this is 2nd best after NFP for conjugating couples. FAM is often the “training-wheel” NFP of 20somethings.

They were just a very young Baptist couple with some stary-eyed idea they pulled out of context because it looked very exotic to their culture and their peers. They have taken a hit. Yes, the posting seems to reflect frustration and a bit of anger. People can sometimes get real flustered over their imperfections.

I wish Bethany and Sam the best and hope their marriage and spiritual sojourn continues forever.

]]> By: Rosenbaum http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-1370 Rosenbaum Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:08:54 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-1370 'Rhythm Method' May Kill Off More Embryos Than Other Methods Of Contraception 25 May 2006 The "rhythm method" may kill off more embryos than other contraceptive methods, such as coils, morning after pills, and oral contraceptives, suggests an article in the Journal of Medical Ethics. The method relies on abstinence during the most fertile period of a woman's menstrual cycle. For a woman who has regular 28 day cycles, this is around days 10 to 17 of the cycle. It is the only method of birth control condoned by the Catholic Church, because it doesn't interfere with conception, so allowing nature to take its course. It is believed that the method works because it prevents conception from occurring. But says Professor Bovens, it may owe much of its success to the fact that embryos conceived on the fringes of the fertile period are less viable than those conceived towards the middle. We don't know how much lower embryo viability is outside this fertile period, contends Professor Bovens, but we can calculate that two to three embryos will have died every time the rhythm method results in a pregnancy. Is it not just as callous to organise your sex life to make it harder for a fertilised egg to survive, using this method, as it is to use the coil or the morning after pill, he asks? Professor Bovens cites Randy Alcorn, a US pro-life campaigner, who has equated global oral contraceptive use to chemical abortion that is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths of embryos, or unborn children, every year. But says Professor Bovens: if all oral contraceptive users converted to the rhythm method, then they would be effectively causing the deaths of millions of embryos. Similarly, regular condom users, whose choice of contraception is deemed to be 95% effective in preventing pregnancy, would "cause less embryonic deaths than the rhythm method," he says. "the rhythm method may well be responsible for massive embryonic death, and the same logic that turned pro-lifers away from morning after pills, IUDs, and pill usage, should also make them nervous about the rhythm method," he contends. The rhythm method and embryonic death J Med Ethics 2006; 32: 355-6 BMJ Specialty Journals http://www.bmj.com Article URL: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=44022 ‘Rhythm Method’ May Kill Off More Embryos Than Other Methods Of Contraception
25 May 2006

The “rhythm method” may kill off more embryos than other contraceptive methods, such as coils, morning after pills, and oral contraceptives, suggests an article in the Journal of Medical
Ethics.

The method relies on abstinence during the most fertile period of a woman’s menstrual cycle. For a woman who has regular 28 day cycles, this is around days 10 to 17 of the cycle.

It is the only method of birth control condoned by the Catholic Church, because it doesn’t interfere with conception, so allowing nature to take its course.

It is believed that the method works because it prevents conception from occurring. But says Professor Bovens, it may owe much of its success to the fact that embryos conceived on the fringes of the fertile period are less viable than those conceived towards the middle.

We don’t know how much lower embryo viability is outside this fertile period, contends Professor Bovens, but we can calculate that two to three embryos will have died every time the rhythm method results in a pregnancy.

Is it not just as callous to organise your sex life to make it harder for a fertilised egg to survive, using this method, as it is to use the coil or the morning after pill, he asks?

Professor Bovens cites Randy Alcorn, a US pro-life campaigner, who has equated global oral contraceptive use to chemical abortion that is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths of embryos, or unborn children, every year.

But says Professor Bovens: if all oral contraceptive users converted to the rhythm method, then they would be effectively causing the deaths of millions of embryos.

Similarly, regular condom users, whose choice of contraception is deemed to be 95% effective in preventing pregnancy, would “cause less embryonic deaths than the rhythm method,” he says.

“the rhythm method may well be responsible for massive embryonic death, and the same logic that turned pro-lifers away from morning after pills, IUDs, and pill usage, should also make them nervous about the rhythm method,” he contends.

The rhythm method and embryonic death J Med Ethics 2006; 32: 355-6
BMJ Specialty Journals
http://www.bmj.com
Article URL: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=44022

]]> By: MARY KAY http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-988 MARY KAY Fri, 19 May 2006 12:29:28 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-988 Rosie, If only we could wrap up the gift of peace in a box with a big pink bow and give it to all the Laruens out there... Read my comment to Lauren on the thread about prolifers inciting hate... I have made a proposal to her that we all switch sides for a while. We fight for pro choice and she has to fight for pro life. Like a little mental exercise. She says she is willing to go along if everybody else does...won't play if it's just me...are you willing to try? It might be enlightening...to both sides...although I gotta tell you it will be hard to take a pro abortion stance...but what the heck, maybe it will help... How about it? mk Rosie,

If only we could wrap up the gift of peace in a box with a big pink bow and give it to all the Laruens out there…

Read my comment to Lauren on the thread about prolifers inciting hate…

I have made a proposal to her that we all switch sides for a while.
We fight for pro choice and she has to fight for pro life. Like a little mental exercise.

She says she is willing to go along if everybody else does…won’t play if it’s just me…are you willing to try?

It might be enlightening…to both sides…although I gotta tell you it will be hard to take a pro abortion stance…but what the heck, maybe it will help…

How about it?

mk

]]> By: rosie http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-957 rosie Thu, 18 May 2006 14:25:37 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-957 Mary Kay, True that she would be a dynamo for our side! She has a lot of spirit. I do know a lot about anger though too, sometimes you have to keep it close to not feel other ways. I remember that when I lost my daughter I really didn't want to feel so sad anymore so I got angry for a long time. When you get tired though you deal with the other feelings. Prayer does help, I felt that others were praying for me and ended up with a feeling of peace. Mary Kay,
True that she would be a dynamo for our side! She has a lot of spirit. I do know a lot about anger though too, sometimes you have to keep it close to not feel other ways. I remember that when I lost my daughter I really didn’t want to feel so sad anymore so I got angry for a long time. When you get tired though you deal with the other feelings. Prayer does help, I felt that others were praying for me and ended up with a feeling of peace.

]]> By: mary kay hastings http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-938 mary kay hastings Wed, 17 May 2006 20:35:39 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-938 You go rosie... I also feel sorry for Lauren... It takes up so much energy staying that angry... I wonder if it is worth so much of our time. But it is good practice for sidewalk counseling. She just can't see herself as we do. Just stamping her foot and saying "I want, I want, I want"...You're right, it's like arguing with a precocious 5 year old. She knows a lot of big words but has virtually no wisdom... Well, we probably will never change her mind (let alone her heart), and that's a shame because if she ever came to know the truth she'd be a dynamo for our side. It's just so hard to know where to begin with her...She misunderstands the Church, she misunderstands our arguments, she misunderstands her self...poor misunderstood Lauren... Prayer is all that is left...let's hope it's enough! mk You go rosie…

I also feel sorry for Lauren…

It takes up so much energy staying that angry…

I wonder if it is worth so much of our time.

But it is good practice for sidewalk counseling.

She just can’t see herself as we do. Just stamping her foot and saying “I want, I want, I want”…You’re right, it’s like arguing with a precocious 5 year old. She knows a lot of big words but has virtually no wisdom…

Well, we probably will never change her mind (let alone her heart), and that’s a shame because if she ever came to know the truth she’d be a dynamo for our side. It’s just so hard to know where to begin with her…She misunderstands the Church, she misunderstands our arguments, she misunderstands her self…poor misunderstood Lauren…

Prayer is all that is left…let’s hope it’s enough!

mk

]]> By: rosie http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-849 rosie Fri, 12 May 2006 14:17:04 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-849 I believe your beliefs are wrong and they are already in law. The supreme court legalized slavery it doesn't mean they were right about that either. I believe your beliefs are wrong and they are already in law. The supreme court legalized slavery it doesn’t mean they were right about that either.

]]> By: Lauren http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-845 Lauren Fri, 12 May 2006 04:20:42 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-845 when did I ask for pity lol? I dont give a damn if you feel bad for me. And yes, you all are telling me what to do by trying to enforce your beliefs in law. when did I ask for pity lol? I dont give a damn if you feel bad for me. And yes, you all are telling me what to do by trying to enforce your beliefs in law.

]]> By: rosie http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-820 rosie Thu, 11 May 2006 16:44:55 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-820 anger comes from somewhere, your anger seems unfounded. Nobody is telling you what to do they are simply expressing what they believe is right without getting mad when you come back with name calling. I can only think that something happened to make you an angry person, and if not you are emotionally immature. Maybe you need attention even if it is not good attention? Unfair? What comes around goes around. You expect people to let you walk all over them and say nothing? But you're right, poor poor Lauren. anger comes from somewhere, your anger seems unfounded. Nobody is telling you what to do they are simply expressing what they believe is right without getting mad when you come back with name calling. I can only think that something happened to make you an angry person, and if not you are emotionally immature. Maybe you need attention even if it is not good attention? Unfair? What comes around goes around. You expect people to let you walk all over them and say nothing? But you’re right, poor poor Lauren.

]]> By: Lauren http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-816 Lauren Thu, 11 May 2006 15:21:22 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-816 Coming from a woman who asked me just how many abortions have you had, seems a little unfair... Coming from a woman who asked me just how many abortions have you had, seems a little unfair…

]]> By: rosie http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-786 rosie Tue, 09 May 2006 21:21:55 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-786 Are you serious?! I don't know you and really don't trust you. I'm not about to be your school project either. You don't seem objective enough to be trusted, you get too emotional too fast and you respond too quickly. I'm not saying that to be mean, that's just the way you come across to me. You make comments that seem well thought out until you get mad. Are you serious?! I don’t know you and really don’t trust you. I’m not about to be your school project either. You don’t seem objective enough to be trusted, you get too emotional too fast and you respond too quickly. I’m not saying that to be mean, that’s just the way you come across to me. You make comments that seem well thought out until you get mad.

]]> By: Lauren http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-777 Lauren Tue, 09 May 2006 16:20:14 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-777 You shall see Ms. Rosie... Would it be possible to get a picture of you? You shall see Ms. Rosie… Would it be possible to get a picture of you?

]]> By: rosie http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-767 rosie Mon, 08 May 2006 18:41:15 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-767 Are you going to tell the readers what you wrote as well? That should be interesting. Are you going to tell the readers what you wrote as well? That should be interesting.

]]> By: Lauren http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-764 Lauren Mon, 08 May 2006 16:21:20 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-764 It's hard to preach tolerance to intolerance. I'm arguing because I'm going to end up writing a story on all of you weirdos. It’s hard to preach tolerance to intolerance. I’m arguing because I’m going to end up writing a story on all of you weirdos.

]]> By: rosie http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-757 rosie Mon, 08 May 2006 04:52:36 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-757 And the dumb comments keep on coming... Are you that attention starved? I'm mean? I have yet to call someone a moron. You're sooo mad you don't make sense anymore, I can get a more rational argument from a 2 year old. My point was that this whole time you have been preaching tolerance and then you turn around and say you have none and you are right, you don't. GROW UP!!! You're not winning anyone over, you're arguing for the sake of arguing. And the dumb comments keep on coming… Are you that attention starved? I’m mean? I have yet to call someone a moron. You’re sooo mad you don’t make sense anymore, I can get a more rational argument from a 2 year old. My point was that this whole time you have been preaching tolerance and then you turn around and say you have none and you are right, you don’t. GROW UP!!! You’re not winning anyone over, you’re arguing for the sake of arguing.

]]> By: Lauren http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-755 Lauren Mon, 08 May 2006 01:57:52 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-755 yeah ccuz that's what I thought.. I know what it means. sorry you couldnt understand what I said... You are a cruel and mean person... God will smite you for it.. have you burned a bull on the altar lately for your lord? yeah ccuz that’s what I thought.. I know what it means. sorry you couldnt understand what I said… You are a cruel and mean person… God will smite you for it.. have you burned a bull on the altar lately for your lord?

]]> By: rosie http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-746 rosie Sun, 07 May 2006 21:08:15 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-746 Guess you've never heard that expression before. It has nothing to do with hell. Funny you would think so though. Guess you’ve never heard that expression before. It has nothing to do with hell. Funny you would think so though.

]]> By: Lauren http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-743 Lauren Sun, 07 May 2006 19:32:58 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-743 What hole Rosie? The hole that all of you people belong in. I earnestly believe in my heart I will not be the one going to hell here... What hole Rosie? The hole that all of you people belong in. I earnestly believe in my heart I will not be the one going to hell here…

]]> By: rosie http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-725 rosie Fri, 05 May 2006 16:05:15 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-725 Keep digging that hole.... Keep digging that hole….

]]> By: Lauren http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-719 Lauren Fri, 05 May 2006 03:29:21 +0000 http://generationsforlife.org/2006/0501/nfp-takes-a-hit/#comment-719 I never claimed to be tolerant. It's hard to be tolerant of people who TELL me what to do.. I dont tell you what to do.. Where do you get off telling me? I never claimed to be tolerant. It’s hard to be tolerant of people who TELL me what to do.. I dont tell you what to do.. Where do you get off telling me?

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