Uncleanliness Is Next to Ungodliness
— Posted by John (July 6, 2006 at 12:10 pm)
Since buying the building that formerly housed Wichita’s Central Women’s Services abortion clinic, Operation Rescue staffers have discovered horribly unsanitary and unsafe conditions in the facility.
Like this:
OR wants action:
Operation Rescue is calling for emergency inspections of the four remaining Kansas abortion mills in light of filthy and unsafe conditions discovered when Operation Rescue bought the Central Women’s Services building last month.
Operation Rescue invites Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to tour the Central Women’s Services facility and see the conditions for herself.
Discovered were horrific, unclean conditions in addition to out-of-code electrical wiring and plumbing, broken ceilings, and evidence of roach and rodent infestations.
This is the second Kansas abortion mill discovered to have horrendous conditions. Last year, a Kansas City abortion mill run by Krishna Rajanna was found to be filthy and infested with rodents. Food and aborted baby bodies were stored in the same refrigerator and there were allegations reported by a Kansas City police detective of suspected cannibalism. Rajanna eventually lost his medical license and his mill was closed.
In April, 2005, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius vetoed HB 2503, a bill that would have required abortion mills to meet basic minimum standards. In her veto statement she said, “As governor, nothing is more important to me than the safety and good health of our citizens. Kansans must be assured when they receive care in a hospital or clinic that their providers meet high standards of safety and responsibility.”
“If Sebelius was telling the truth, she will order immediate emergency inspections of all remaining abortion clinics in the state of Kansas, and close those where similar conditions exist in the interest of public health and safety,” said Operation Rescue President Troy Newman. “Both closed abortion offices in the past year have been found to have conditions that no human being should ever have to endure. It is absolutely scandalous that women are being subjected to these filthy unsafe chop shops with the stamp of approval of the Governor’s Office.”
“A crisis exists in the Kansas abortion industry and Sebelius has done everything she could to allow these shocking conditions to continue to exist,” said Newman. “She was just plain wrong to veto clinic regulations, and we now own the building that proves it.”
And how.
Remember this the next time you hear someone imply that because abortion is legal, it is therefore safe.
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Pansy Moss says:
But John, this is just hygiene. This doesn’t even begin to compare to the psychological damage of those horrible CPC centers! Don’t you know can step on a roach and allow a woman to have a life-saving abortion (hoping she doesn’t die of peritonitis), but those other places encourage women to keep their babies through offering diapers, and formula and support! And be chained to her child for the rest of her life!
Comment posted July 7th, 2006 at 6:47 am
John says:
Pansy,
Heh.
Comment posted July 7th, 2006 at 9:28 am
Lucy says:
Pansy,
Well, when money has to be diverted in a regular basis to pay for people to escort women past the people harrassing them outside.
You know what. You guys don’t get to contribute to a problem by forcing funding elsewhere, such as the prevention of the banning of womens rights to their bodies. Such as telling 14 year olds to just not have sex, and then blaming us when they get pregnant anyway. I don’t know why we didn’t think of telling adolescents who are just discovering that they are sexual beings not to explore what they just discovered and expect that they were going to listen. It must be because they listen to everything else.
Is living in a free society really that much of a threat?
When funding is diverted from organizations such as Planned Parenthood to funding religious organizations something has to give. I’m so sorry that it wasn’t up to our standards.
Somehow I have a hard time believing that this post has anything to do with concern for a womans well being, seeing as you mock her psychological condition.
You call me heartless? You wish to make it so that to be born in a womans body is a tormentive experience instead of the joy it should be.
What was it about the terror of your own body that you wrote to Michael 2? What is it, there I felt sympathy for you. I was wrong. You don’t want to stop it. You just don’t want to be the only one.
I have never seen such ignorance in my life as I have on this sight. And I’ve argued with members of the Aryan nation, so you’d think that I’d have seen worse. No, I’m afraid it just isn’t so. I had to come where the Christians are to see the ultimate in ignorance and hatred.
People who believe that happiness is pornography and the murder of gays and lesbians. People who think that love has to come in a specific format.
I tell you heaven has never sounded more like hell if this is the company one would keep.
Good Bye Pansy.
Comment posted July 8th, 2006 at 2:19 pm
Lucy says:
This is your morality, your virtue, your love, your humanity, your GOD. This is a 21 year old girl in a loving, committed relationship. She has just found out she is pregnant. She has a disease that will ensure that if she remains so she will die.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nkrMdlElo7I
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5IbLyXQo8&search=abortion%20protesters
http://youtube.com/watch?v=coAvObqFT0M&search=abortion%20protesters
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QfFiKpxVewY
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AbWkRwI2LfY
Transcripts:
January 015
Protestor: “Aren’t you a little old to be making
babies with these girls?”
Daddad: (unintelligible)
Protestor: “Shame on you. Shame on you. Just like the
getaway driver in a robbery.”
Daddad: “Jessi…” (about to tell me to turn off the
camera and go inside)
Protestor: “You shouldn’t have brought her.”
Daddad: “Oh, just blow it off.”
Protestor: “She looks like a freeeak.”
Daddad: (sarcastically) “Thank you.”
Protestor: “That’s wroooong.”
Daddad: (sarcastically) “Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thanks.”
Protestor: “Yeah, now you’re going to be the
grandfather of a dead baby.”
Daddad: (unintelligible, but I remember he told me to
turn off the camera.)
January 016
Protestor: “Is that yours? Is that your baby,
grandpa?”
January 017
Protestor: “She’s just crying out for help. You’re
crying out for help, honey.”
Me: (to the patient standing beside me) “It’s actually
just to distract from the fact that I don’t get a
haircut very often.”
Protestor: “How many piercings do you have? How many
tattoos? Because you need help.”
Me: (to the other patient) “I actually have none of
either.”
Patient: (laughing) “Don’t worry about it. They’re the
freaks, standing out there.”
Me: “Ugh, I know.”
Protestor: “Let’s take her picture. Let’s put it up on
the website. And the car, let’s run that plate, let
their neighbors know what they’re up to.”
January 018
Protestor: “When you see my picture, remember what I
saiiid. Every time you see my picture.”
Daddad: “Jessica, let’s go.”
January 020
Protestor: “Jeeeeesus is the only way. You’re dying
your hair because you lack love–”
Me: “Ha!”
Protestor: “–that’s not going to get you love,
looking for love in all the wrong places, you need
Jeeeeeesus.”
Daddad: (derisively) “Okay.”
Protestor: “Daddy–”
January 021
Protestor: “I know this isn’t the first time that
you’ve crawled up on that table. I know that. Many
women regret their abortions, that’s why they’re out
doing what you do. Looking for attention..”
Daddad: “Jessica. Jessica, come on.”
Comment posted July 8th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
Pansy Moss says:
Somehow I have a hard time believing that this post has anything to do with concern for a womans well being, seeing as you mock her psychological condition.
1. Don’t blame the bloggers for my sarcasm. That was me alone, not the hosts of this blog.
2. My point was not to mock a woman’s psychological well-being. It was sarcasm in the light of the fact that many sat horrible things about CPCs because they hand out baby clothes and diapers to single mothers who need it, and say this is somehow psychologically detrimental to women facing unplanned pregnancies. In the meantime, many abortion clinics with their unsanitary practices physically injure, maim, and kill women. I fail to see the logic in this, hence my sarcasm.
Comment posted July 9th, 2006 at 1:21 am
Quinn says:
You’re vile Lucy. Demonstrably vile.
Comment posted July 9th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
Quinn says:
Pansy said
“People who believe that happiness is pornography and the murder of gays and lesbians. People who think that love has to come in a specific format.”
The old pervs in NAMBLA bring up this objection when those of us on the “religious right” teach that men having sex with young boys is wicked and evil and ought to be punished. I mean, just who are we to say that love cannot be expressed sexually between a 40 year-old man and an 8 year-old boy?
Comment posted July 9th, 2006 at 2:18 pm
Quinn says:
Whoops! I meant Lucy in that last post **blush**
Comment posted July 9th, 2006 at 2:19 pm
Lucy says:
Quinn,
I’m vile? What makes me vile exactly? I give references to things that your people have said. These are the inner workings of your pals not mine. Is it vile that I think that I should be able to control my body? Is it vile that I believe I should be able to use my own mind to make my own judgements? Is it the fact that I believe in hard work? Is it the fact that I strive for success. It must be the fact that I think that all people are capable of doing the same. It must be the fact that I don’t in fact believe that the pursuit of pleasure means taking up the hobbies of your clergy.
Is it that I had an abortion Quinn. Is that what makes me Vile. Do you know I’ve posted on here before and this is the first time you have had the nerve to say more to me than life doesn’t require a brain. What gave you the need to assault me now?
Oh, you wanted to all along, didn’t you. It’s okay, tell the truth. Afterall, you guys are all about promoting your version of the truth right. What was it, Did Michael 2 give you courage?
Do you think that because I am pro womens rights that I have to take people saying nasty things to me? Do you think that because I had an abortion and you think that is wrong that people can say anything about me and I should have no feelings at all? Do you think that Pansy is right and that women should suffer? Do you hate women? All women, or just the ones that don’t do as instructed?
The good little Christian boys that wouldn’t stop when I said no. The ones that wanted nothing more than a little pre marital sex from me, frequently on the first date. I’ve never had a problem with a non Christian man with a strict policy that I hold regarding waiting at least three months before doing anything beyond kissing. Christians don’t want to wait three minutes. I’ve had to physically force them off of me. I now have a strict policy that says I don’t date Christians. It isn’t as though they know my religious views at that point and think that I must be easy because I’m not a Christian. Though, I imagine that they would try to use that as well.
Yes, to you values must be vile. Not wishing to starve a child and yourself must be unspeakably vile.
Whatever.
Comment posted July 11th, 2006 at 11:48 pm
Lucy says:
Pansy,
When abortion is illegal women die from jumping off of buildings and in front of cars. Are you interested in saving the women?
Comment posted July 11th, 2006 at 11:49 pm
Lucy says:
Pansy,
What makes you think that I’m holding the other bloggers responsible for what you said. If anything what you have said was mild by comparison.
Comment posted July 11th, 2006 at 11:50 pm
Pansy Moss says:
ansy,
What makes you think that I’m holding the other bloggers responsible for what you said. If anything what you have said was mild by comparison.
Because you wrote:
Pansy,…
… Somehow I have a hard time believing that this post has anything to do with concern for a womans well being, seeing as you mock her psychological condition… (emphasis my own).
I thought you were holding me responsible for not believing this blog had any concern for women’s health because you told me that I (not John) mocked a woman’s psychological well-being.
Comment posted July 12th, 2006 at 5:59 am
Pansy Moss says:
Pansy,
When abortion is illegal women die from jumping off of buildings and in front of cars. Are you interested in saving the women?
Everytime there is an abortion, a child is violently killed. Everytime. A woman choosing to commit suicide is wrong as well, but two wrongs do not make a right. You do not stop one evil by giving in to another. You do not treat depression by addicting people on cocaine. You do not fix societies ills by allowing mothers to kill their children. First of all, as we can see, societies “ills” have not been fixed by abortion. All we have created is a culture where people are no longer valued but are now disposable things, where mothers instead of valuing their children are pitted against them, where men are given the OK to use women instead of for companionship, respect and love, as people, just simply as bodies with plumbing for sexual gratification, and where racial genocide is practiced in the guise of “women’s rights”. The idea of abortion encourages the feeling hoplessness when met with an unintended pregnancy as our abortive culture tells us children are a disease that need to be surgically removed or else your life will fall apart. Where as a culture of life sees unexpected children as a challenge yes, but a chance for growth, love, survival and something to be grateful for and something to celebrate.
There are always going to be suicides, and people who feel hopeless. There will always be people who abuse others. But the way to fight these evils is not to add more innocent blood to the mix.
Comment posted July 12th, 2006 at 6:14 am
Lucy says:
Pansy,
First, I was holding you responsible for what you said. You did sound like you were mocking womens pain. You still sound like you are mocking womens pain.
The point is that the women jumping in front of trains and in front of buildings when abortion is illegal, or seeking dangerous procedures that are highly likely to kill them, are pregnant. I am aware that suicides happen no matter what. I am speaking of a very specific set of people with very specific circumstances that are killing themselves for very specific reasons.
Oh well, is not an acceptable answer. Not to care about the well being of these women, to treat them as though they are nothing but a containment unit for that which you are truly interested in is unthinkable. To tell women that they have no say in their lives. That you will tell them when they may and may not have sex is not acceptable. That you will tell them what they may and may not do to prevent unwanted pregnancies is unacceptable. That you will tell them when and when they will not have children is not acceptable. That you will tell them what kind of relationship they will be in is not acceptable. That you will tell them what makes them feel as though their lives will or will not fall apart is unacceptable.
Not in a free society. The idea behind this country was that people would be able to examine information for themselves and judge it for themselves. They have the same rights to make their decisions and their potential mistakes. They do not have the right to determine the actions of others except if it violates their personal rights. A woman deciding that carrying a child inside of her is not in her best interest for any reason at all is not up for a vote. A womans body is not to be guided by mob rule. The sole decision maker for every human being is themselves. You do not get to do my thinking.
If it were up to me women wouldn’t be having children they couldn’t take care of, but its not. I don’t want to be told that I have to take care of them, but that is another issue.
I would still like a logical explanation for why a fetus somehow outranks a woman and has the ability to over ride her rights in your thinking. One based on facts that reflects justice. That the woman may or may not end up a corpse as a result of being forced to continue the pregnacy and it doesn’t matter to you obviously won’t do.
Comment posted July 12th, 2006 at 10:40 am
Pansy Moss says:
The sole decision maker for every human being is themselves. You do not get to do my thinking.
I do get that. By your own logic, the child should have the same human rights as well.
Comment posted July 12th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
Mike says:
None of these problems would exist if people believed in two things — sex is a “marital act” & sex has two components “gratification” and “openess to life”.
We all know the use of birth control leads to abortion.
Human sexuality has 2 variables. There is “gratification” & “openess to new life”. With birth control you want the “gratification” without being “open to new life”. I think if God wanted us to have one of these variables without the other, God would have created another action. God’s Natural Law has both “gratification” & “openess to new life” as ONE ACTION. Who are we to tell the Creator this was a mistake?
Those who feel birth control is morally OK must defend other sexual acts which takes the “gratification” but leaves the “openess to new life” behind like homosexuality (man & man), pedifilia (man & boy), masterbation (man with himself) & beastiality (man & animal) all of which are condemned in the Bible. This is just the way I look at it.
———
Here are a few statistics to consider…
The divorce rate for those using birth control is over 50%. The divorce rate for those who use Natural Family Planning (NFP) is at 1.3%. Therefore I do not see using birth control as being part of God’s Natural Law nor God’s Plan.
Also, I heard a statistic 50% of those who abort their kids were on birth control. We should have learned by know birth control is not the answer. Chastity Education is the answer!
Listen to a Chastity Education Talk
http://www.pureloveclub.com/seminars/index.php?id=3
What’s the difference between Birth Control and NFP?
http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=441428
Mike
Comment posted July 12th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
Lucy says:
Pansy,
Do you not see the paradox involved with you saying that a fertilized egg ‘wants’ to remain in a woman. Which is a problem in and of itself. A fertilized egg-fetus cannot ‘want’ anything. Everything it needs comes through the woman. Which means you will need to enslave the woman to something in order to keep this up. Therefore, denying a woman the woman to decide that she would not like to share her nutrients. Nor would she like to share her body. The woman can survive without the fetus, in some cases, the woman can only survive without the fetus. In all cases the fetus can only survive if in the woman.
Are you going to advocate Slavery, Socialism, Communism, Welfarism? Are you going to tell me that the only reason that I can live is to keep you alive?
Would you like to tell me again how it doesn’t matter to you if women desperate to not be pregnant jump in front of trains or such in order to not become mothers. Then tell me how much you care about the host of the fetus. Would you like to pretend that the woman is something other than a host in your opinion?
Afterall, you have decided that a collection of cells, without the hint of a developed brain has wants, desires, dreams, ambitions, and rights. Do you understand what rights are for Pansy? Do you understand that a fetus does not have rights and does not need rights, and would not use them if they did? All you are trying to do is extract rights from women. Women like yourself Pansy. There is nothing else you can do. It is a mockery of rights to say that you wish to assign them to a fetus. It is an assault on women to give it there rights.
Comment posted July 13th, 2006 at 12:00 am
Mike says:
Lucy,
Why is it Pro-Aborts don’t like pictures of the truth?
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=78735
Pink, pink everywhere but can women handle the truth
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=78200
Abortion and it’s relationship to Breast Cancer
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=1286787#post1286787
Mike
Comment posted July 13th, 2006 at 7:28 am
Lucy says:
Mike.
You don’t get to determine what people think. You don’t get to determine what people think.
You show pictures of fetus that have been removed. The pictures are fetuses from late term pregnancies. Obviously. The reasons behind late term pregnancies are usually as I have stated previously. We know this. We also know that it hurts women who wanted children, but found out that they were carrying a dead fetus and had to have it removed to see a late term aborted fetus. Sometimes, if the fetus did survive it would be for moments, and the women could die or become sterile. Do you not grasp this? Those are not pictures of first tri-mester abortions.
It doesn’t matter if you try to sell them as though they are. If you want to show a picture of a first tri-mester abortion show it. We aren’t fools, we know that something came out of us. Do you honestly think that it means that we did something wrong to show us something came out. To take pictures of it? What did you think was going on here? What do you think it is? Repressed guilt?
Women, find out that the fetus they were pregnant with, the baby they wanted, does not have a spine. It will not live, and will suffer greatly if it lives even for a few minutes. That there is a possiblity that the woman will die or become sterile. That she makes the best decision she can, and it hurts her deeper than you can possibly understand to make this decision. That given her way she would have had a way, any way, for the baby to be born healthy. That there would be a way for it to survive. It isn’t the health problem that concerns her. Medical bills are medical bills. She understood that there were things that wouldn’t be open to here if she had a baby. She was glad to let them go. By comparison it was all just junk anyway. She would get rid of more to pay the medical bills. But, there is no way, and what is more, the child could suffer needlessly. If at all, it could be seconds, or minutes, or days, but it would suffer. It might suffer alone, she could die.
Please don’t post nonsense about breast cancer when you care so little about women.
That you wish to take a snapshot of the fetus. The baby she wanted. That you blow it up, put it on a Giant Card. Line the streets with them.
That you then have the nerve to ask why women do not want to see it. It isn’t out of interest. It is because you believe that there is something that you have to prove. That you can somehow understand what that woman felt. That you can ever understand why it is that we do feel for the pain of the women that we could be. You can’t be that woman. Would you actually sacrifice the life of the mother of your child in order to watch a fetus, once born a child, suffer a painful, agonizing death? Would you actually then still look at your lonely face in the mirror and call yourself pro-life?
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
Lucy says:
Mike,
When you say we all know that birth control leads to abortion, I would like to remember in that moment that I have nothing to do with such nonsense.
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 6:03 pm
rosie says:
First tri-mester abortion pictures.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/photosbyage/index.htm#thumbnails
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
Lucy says:
Rosie,
Okay. So put that on your signs. Have fun. Can I print up pictures of women falling off of buildings because they are pregnant and have no options. Will that be enough to show you that if you win you destroy countless lives? Shall I print up pictures of women throwing themselves in front of trains? Perhaps a young mother leaving high school, with a sign over her head that says in a just society without welfare we would starve to death in a week? My parents put me in the streets and we will live there? I was going to be a doctor? Now I will starve? I can’t take my life saving medication AND be pregnant.
Maybe a doctor putting his career at risk to help a woman who would rather die than have this child? I mean, which of these pictures will convince you that if there is a God he’s not on this sight? He isn’t carrying the signs? And he hasn’t signed a document authorizing you to use his name? That if you are to continue in your efforts to strip women of their rights you must do it in your own name.
You have no choice but to say I don’t women to have rights.
I think that women who want to control thier bodies are evil. I think that women who want are evil. Yes, that is what I meant. Women who want. You have to say that women who want their lives are evil. Say you saw them talking with the Devil. Then we can pull out he stakes.
The thing that always amazes me about stuff like that is that without women like this, women who want their lives, men who want their lives, there would have been no fire to burn them with. There would be no medical technology for you guys to insist upon using. There would be no way to make the signs. Take the picures. As Thomas Paine said, 200 years prior Benjamin Franklin would have been burned at the stake for harnassing lightning.
Yet, you insist upon demonizing the mind. Yet, you regularly utilize things that could not be used without the mind.
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 7:01 pm
rosie says:
Lucy,
“Can I print up pictures of women falling off of buildings because they are pregnant and have no options. ”
Sure you can. However, I doubt that would be the only option for anyone, so it probably wouldn’t be very affective.
“I can’t take my life saving medication AND be pregnant.”
I have to say i’m with young Christian woman on this one. Besides, is that the case as often as you make it out to be?
“I think that women who want to control thier bodies are evil”
Nonsense, though when it affects another persons body in the process,yes. I’m not sure I would use the word evil though, maybe self centered.
What amazes me is that some people think they will have no life if they have a child, some people consider having a child as their lives becoming more whole. So what if it is harder, who’s life is easy? Why is it do you think that people would rather have an abortion than give the child up for adoption, how would their lives then be over? I sincerely don’t get it. Are they of the mind that if they don’t get to keep their child then nobody should? Don’t think that I don’t know what you are saying, you know they are live human beings, it seems to me that you are saying you know and just don’t care. Would that be accurate?
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Mike says:
Rosie asked Lucy …
“Why is it do you think that people would rather have an abortion than give the child up for adoption”
Pro-Aborts for some reason don’t believe “Adoption” is a choice.
Remember we are dealing with the same people who are against Illinois having “Choose Life” license plates and donating the proceeds to adoption agencies. Pro-Aborts just make no sense.
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
rosie says:
Mike,
“Pro-Aborts just make no sense.”
So it seems, they say “I couldn’t go through the pain of giving up my child for adoption” But they can abort the child? That was easier? Give me a friggin break! Seems to me they can at least be honest about their reasoning. (Or not)
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 9:13 pm
Mike says:
Lucy,
The growing trend in America is many are becoming more and more Pro-Life especially our younger generation. The main group of people who want to keep abortion as a “choice” are those who lived during the Woodstock area. This group is aging and will soon be a dying breed. Therefore America will most likely become more and more Pro-Life and Roe v. Wade will soon be overturned.
My question to you is this — Right now people are split roughly 50/50 on whether abortion should be legal or not in America. Since America is split right now whether or not “life exists” in the woman’s womb, shouldn’t the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT always go to the side of LIFE? Why or why not?
Mike
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
Lucy says:
Mike,
We are pro life. For the record. We support people being able to think for themselves in choosing how to live their lives. Of course we are opposed to the implication that you somehow support life. Why doesn’t your plate say choose adoption? What would be wrong with that? Otherwise your way of supporting life leads to starvation, homelessness, hopelessness, lower qualities in education, suicide, disease, human degradation. Pro-Life indeed. Why don’t you call yourself what you are. Anti-humanity. Anti-woman.
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 11:26 pm
Lucy says:
Rosie,
Only if you are attempting to lower life to something that makes no difference at all. Why do you think you get to make peoples decisions for them?
Why won’t you answer that?
The first time I saw you post anything you went after Lauren. You asked her how many abortions she had that she felt the need to justify it. You asked her because I had just stated that I had had an abortion and did not regret it. Afterall, it is true. I don’t. You have since made statements that all women regret it. Women will suffer after, (I assume you mean at your hand). I was just amused that you never did have the nerve to actually say anything to me. I just assumed that someone would prove Lauren right and go after me.
No, a fetus does not have the same status as a woman. In fact, people determine their own value in life by what they do with it. Now, I know that you think that means something completely different than what I am saying to you. A fetus does not by any means rank higher than a woman. It certainly does not rank high enough to decide to stay in her body when she says no.
Does it interest you in the least as to what my fate would have been if I had remained pregnant? No. Why, because as far as you are concerned I am not actually a person. You are not interested in why I had an abortion. You are not interested in what it was like for me. You aren’t interested in any of that. All you can think is that you believe that I killed something. Something that never had a life to take. All you can think is that I have a life. Somewhere in you you don’t think I have a right to be alive. If the two sides are opposites of the same coin and we believe that women have the rights, then you have to believe otherwise. What right do I have to be alive.
Tell the truth Rosie. Tell the truth.
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
Lucy says:
Mike,
My life is not a legal proceding. My life does not hinge on whether I have enough people supporting my right to it. I am the actual life, the one that is known. So yes, the doubt should go to the life, yet your argument demonstrates that you do not view me as living. You do not believe that I should have a right to my life.
I do not need you to sanction my right to my life.
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
Lucy says:
Mike,
What exactly is that makes you believe that you can vote away my life? What makes you believe that I should do as you tell me? What makes you believe that I should view you as a source of information on how to live my life?
Once again, do you wish women dead. Obviously you don’t care about the women who would die otherwise.
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 11:40 pm
Lucy says:
Rosie,
I forgot about the signs of the dying, the diseased, the starved. I forgot what kind of picture I would have to paint in order to represent the world you are wishing into existance.
Comment posted July 15th, 2006 at 11:42 pm
rosie says:
“Only if you are attempting to lower life to something that makes no difference at all. Why do you think you get to make peoples decisions for them? ”
I’m not the one doing that, you are.
“Women will suffer after, (I assume you mean at your hand). ”
Then you assume wrong.
“A fetus does not by any means rank higher than a woman. ”
True, their lives are equally valuable.
“Somewhere in you you don’t think I have a right to be alive.”
Nonsense.
“You are not interested in why I had an abortion”
Sure I am but i’m not going to wrestle it out of you and others have asked you why and you haven’t answered.
As for what I said to Lauren, maybe I shouldn’t have said that but I felt very frustrated with her “communication” skills at the time, though I have to say that everyone says something they shouldn’t once in a while, for example can you imagine how it makes people feel when they have lost a child and they hear you telling them they lost nothing but a clump of cells? From now on should I tell people “yeah, I lost my clump of cells and tissue”?”yeah, I really had high hopes for that tissue”
Was I honest enough for you?
Comment posted July 16th, 2006 at 9:37 am
Pansy Moss says:
Do you understand what rights are for Pansy? Do you understand that a fetus does not have rights and does not need rights, and would not use them if they did?
The slavemasters used to proclaim it was simply their rights to have slaves, and that black slaves were incapable of dreams, desires, ambitions.
Comment posted July 16th, 2006 at 3:11 pm
Lucy says:
Pansy,
And you declare that it is your right to determine what happens to my body. Do you understand who you sound like to me?
Comment posted July 17th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Lucy says:
Rosie,
I have answered any who have asked why I had an abortion.
Comment posted July 17th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
Lucy says:
Rosie,
Mike saying stupid things and calling me a murderer does not qualify as a question.
Comment posted July 17th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
Lucy says:
Rosie,
It is not possible for a fetus and the woman it is in to have equal rights.
Comment posted July 17th, 2006 at 12:26 pm
Lucy says:
No, Rosie,
It is a matter of understanding what a quality of life means. It is a matter of understanding that we all have….I have said this so many times. I grow weary.
I’m sorry that you think that my having an abortion and insisting that women should have rights interferes with others desire to evade reality. In a normal conversation I would never tell a woman that she had lost a clump of cells. This isn’t a normal conversation, and you don’t have much regard for the feelings of others when you speak of what women feel like that have an abortion.
No matter how many times I have written about what I felt like to have an abortion you have responded that women who have abortions do not feel the way I did.
Comment posted July 17th, 2006 at 12:29 pm
rosie says:
“No matter how many times I have written about what I felt like to have an abortion you have responded that women who have abortions do not feel the way I did.”
I have said that the women I have met have said that,and you have somehow turned it around to seem that I decided that that is how they felt. I’m sure some don’t really care either way as you do.
Comment posted July 17th, 2006 at 1:06 pm
Pansy Moss says:
And you declare that it is your right to determine what happens to my body.
I could care less what you do with your body.
Do you understand who you sound like to me?
Pope John Paul II? Mother Teresa? Nah, you’re right, they were saints in teh making. How about John and Annie?
Comment posted July 17th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
mary kay says:
Lucy,
Do you understand that I have the right to free speech and that this means that you also have the right to free speech? You have no more right to it than I. I have no more right to it than you. If you abuse your right then it nullifies my right. If I abuse my right, it nullifies yours. It can only work if we both, equally respect EACH OTHERS rights. The minute you say you have the right but I don’t, (or visa versa), it stops working.
It’s the same with the right to life. You can’t keep claiming that no one has the right to your body except you and that you and you alone will decide what to do with it. Then turn around and say that another person (an unborn child) does not have the same right. You can’t say that you have the right to decide what to do with that childsbody just because it affords you your right. Either we all have the right to live, or none of us do. Or only you do and then that’s not liberty. That’s tyranny.
MK
Comment posted July 18th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Lucy says:
Pansy,
Actually you sound like a slave master. You feel that you have the right to determine the decisions of a business owner based off of what suits you. You think that you have the right to determine what happens to my body because of some belief that you have about how cheap life is and a pulse is all that is required. You think that you have the right to impose your beliefs on me without my consent. You believe that there is not enough difference between black men to differentiate them from one another and therefore treat them as though they are a collective black community. As though one mans motives and situation are the same as another, and it is needless for Sam to be Sam and Fred to be Fred when they are nothing more than black in your eyes.
Who could expect more from you. You can’t tell the difference between a fetus and a baby. You step into correct me when no correction was needed from you regarding things that I have said to other people. You step in and tell me what other people meant to say, as though you are somehow capable of knowing better what they meant. Or that you are at all capable of understanding what I mean, which you have proven utterly incapable of, most likely due to your strict policy of shoot first and ask questions never. That you cannot draw a distinction between a woman seeking to hold a womans rights to control her own mind and body, a right you would like to use for yourself but refuse to others, based on some notion that there is something about you that would permit you to dictate the actions of others. Some idea that you are somehow better equipped to determine my thoughts that me.
Yet, I must ask, if you hadn’t recieved permission to keep your pregnancy, whatever would you have done?
You won’t answer of course. You’ll tell me that I have offended you, which perhaps I have. I should hope that I have. But please note that you have assumed every position that I assign to you, and have called me immoral for not sharing them with you. In fact, you have assumed other positions that I have not introduced here. Only because I don’t know that it is fair just now to ask you to face what you more than likely do not know that you have said.
It has become abundantly clear that my first assessment of you was horribly inaccurate.
Comment posted July 20th, 2006 at 11:15 pm
Lucy says:
Rosie,
What do you say to a woman who does not regret her abortion? What do you say to a woman who knows that she has no reason to feel guilt? How do you address her?
Rosie says:
Mike,
“Pro-Aborts just make no sense.”
So it seems, they say “I couldn’t go through the pain of giving up my child for adoption” But they can abort the child? That was easier? Give me a friggin break! Seems to me they can at least be honest about their reasoning. (Or not)
Or perhaps you ask others how they justify their abortions. I don’t recall anything that would have actually indicated that you felt that you shouldn’t have asked Lauren that. It was originally my suspicion that you had confused us and meant to ask me. I wasn’t sure.
Do you suppose that only women who regret their abortions talk to you? Do you know that I am not an oddity.
What do you say now? Knowing that I do not regret my abortion. That I have no guilt, and need no guilt.
If you wanted to ask me about my abortion why didn’t you? You were right there making snide comments, never directed to me, the entire time I was talking with Sidney. You saw everything I posted there. You saw me answer her questions. You say I don’t answer.
Is there something you want to know Rosie? Ask. What do you want to know.
Comment posted July 20th, 2006 at 11:22 pm
Lucy says:
Mary Kay,
I refer you to what I wrote regarding your comments on the one with the libertarian thing. Because at this current moment I don’t think I can explain better than I that. I have to much to do tomorrow and must get sleep. Good night Mary Kay.
Comment posted July 20th, 2006 at 11:24 pm
rosie says:
“Do you suppose that only women who regret their abortions talk to you?”
Probably, as with most people my friends and I are usally like minded.
“Is there something you want to know Rosie? Ask. What do you want to know. ”
Young Christian Woman asked you why adoption wasn’t an option for you,Why?
Actually, I am wondering if you and our mom talk still. I don’t know if you saw me telling Mary Kay about my experience going through foster homes or not. I know it’s a bit off subject, but I have been wondering about that.
“What do you say to a woman who does not regret her abortion? What do you say to a woman who knows that she has no reason to feel guilt? How do you address her? ”
What can you say? I guess you just have to be available in case they have a change of heart.
Comment posted July 21st, 2006 at 9:53 am
rosie says:
OOPS! I meant your mom, not our mom!
Comment posted July 21st, 2006 at 9:55 am
Pansy Moss says:
Yet, I must ask, if you hadn’t recieved permission to keep your pregnancy, whatever would you have done?
You won’t answer of course.
I’ll answer, but I am not sure of your question. Permission from whom? Do you mean if I lived in a place like China where abortions are forced by the government? I suppose if an abortion were forced on me, I could say I would have had one, unless of course there is an organisation available that somehow helps women govern around this fate, and I had access to it.
Comment posted July 21st, 2006 at 11:29 am
Lucy says:
Rosie,
I do not wish to speak to you about whether or not my mother and I still talk.
I do not respond to, or read what YCW writes. She is an advocate of the murder of abortionists. She and Quinn, I have only recently seen that Quinn was, before that I thought he was just ignorant, now I have no reason to respond to or read what he has written either.
Adoption was not an option because remaining pregant was not an option. I don’t think that I could have done that to a child anyway. My beliefs do not leave me to believe that a woman is pregant with a life. She is pregnant with a potential life. Life and Alive are not the same thing. Life is something that is chosen. It is an active process that requires full awareness of self. It requires what Ayn Rand calls rational self interest. Ego. Life is so much more than a body. I don’t understand why this isn’t understood. I really don’t.
Yet, I see from your comment on the lack of guilt, or the need to feel. See, I won’t have a change of heart, because I know my beliefs to be true. I know that I don’t need a change of heart. I certainly don’t need you telling me what to think, or how to feel, which is what that line does. You want to believe you don’t tell women what they are supposed to think or feel. Yet you say that. You indicate that you believe that they will have a change of heart, and that you don’t know what to do with them otherwise.
What if I never have a change of heart. As I won’t. What then. You’re going to be there for me? How? Why would I keep someone around who was just waitng for me to feel the way they think I should? Why do you want to be there for me anyway?
Tell me, certainly you must know of everything that is going on in the world. The tragic events that are taking place in Lebanon currently. I know people with family in that part of the world and it is tearing them apart that this is occurring. I feel so much pain for my friends. I do not want anything to happen to them that would cause them any grief. This means that I do not want anything to happen to their friends and family that I have not met. That I will more than likely never meet. Don’t really care if I meet. But, I am able to see the concern in my friends eyes over the well being over her friends and family. I know her to be a very good and caring woman who I would rather feel the pain myself than to see her feel it.
Yet, I can’t feel that kind of concern for those people because I do not know them. I have no care in the world, except that I think that such nonsense is always a tragedy, and always what I would like to be beneath the human race. Do you understand that human beings have developed systems to better grow food, catch food, contain food, so that fewer people starve. Diseases have been wiped off the map, buildings nearly scrape the sky, and yet still, we fight over gods. We fight over gods and books filled with stories that make the Grimms Fairy Tales look like bed times stories. If you aren’t familiar, Disney did not lop of toes in Cinderella, But the Brothers Grimm even took heels.
How can I care in a fashion that I would surrender any part of myself for those I do not know? How can you claim to? Does not one person have more value for you than another? Do you have no standards by which to judge?
Do you know that it is perfectly acceptable for you to not like me? I don’t know for certain, but I don’t imagine that I would like you very much. You don’t have to like what I’ve done. You can be disgusted by the fact that I’ve had an abortion. It can go that much against your values that you may hold it in such disdain that you do not wish to communicate with those who have. I am not entitled to have you like me.
If you want to know what I believe and why I had an abortion ask. I’ve told you, remaining pregant wasn’t an option. If you wish to know why I don’t regret it ask. I will do my best to explain. If there is another question that I have not thought of but you can ask. I’m not going to have a change of heart. Staying around just in case isn’t necessary. I don’t need to have a change of heart. I didn’t do anything wrong. Therefore, I don’t need to feel guilty. It isn’t neccessary for me to feel guilt. It doesn’t mean that there is something wrong with me that I don’t feel guilt. I’m not repressing anything.
Comment posted July 22nd, 2006 at 8:36 pm
Lucy says:
Pansy,
I was referring to the fact that everyone was pushing you to have an abortion but your father. It was your father that gave approval to what you wanted to do correct? I’m asking what would you have done if your father had given the same answer as everyone else. What if noone had agreed with you? What if you alone had wished to remain pregnant and then proceed to place your child with another family?
Comment posted July 22nd, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Young Christian Woman says:
Lucy,
You are also insistent on legislating your own morality. You want laws to reflect your personal belief–you stated it was a belief–that a fetus is not a person. Your belief that life is more than the life that exists in a body is essentially a spiritual one. Why should that view be upheld rather than one that requires that all human life–even humans that don’t think yet–be treated as worthy of respect and a right to life? Isn’t it rather arrogant of you to assume that because someone is not conscious, they are not alive? Do you die when you sleep? What is so mystical about the ritual of birth (complete birth only, of course) that it confers rights on a child? Do you really think that a baby born one month prematurely–even one with some imperfection–is worth protecting, and one of the same developmental age with the same impediment may be legally killed? Not just removed, but destroyed in the process? Frankly, all these excuses to dehumanize a group of demonstrably human entities for the convenience of parents, based on your own personal spirituality, is no more rational than our extension of rights to all human beings.
Comment posted July 23rd, 2006 at 7:59 pm
Pansy Moss says:
Lucy,
I don’t know. I was young and scared. The events that unfolded when I made my decision happened within the first 48 hours. I don’t know what I would have decided on my own with more time. I know that my biggest fear was telling my parents, and people like the baby’s father were playing heavily on that fear telling me “you know, you can’t tell your parents”. Once I told them, I knew that last bit of ground he had to push me into aborting had fallen from under him.
As for if my father had pushed me to abort? Again, I am not sure. Had my father been the type to do that, then would I have even been pro-life to begin with? Had my father not been pro-life, it would have meant he never went through the studies he did at Columbia to become a developmental psychologist on fetal development, and we probably would not have been living where we did, because we moved there due to his proximity to his job, and I would not have met the baby’s father.
When I volunteered for the CPC, we found homes for young girls whose parents were trying to push them to abort or throw them out. They were brave enough to pack up and leave their families for their children’s lives. I would like to hope I would have found the same support to do the samething.
Comment posted July 24th, 2006 at 4:03 am
Lucy says:
Pansy,
I do not for the life of me understand how it is you see a difference in pressuring someone to have an abortion, and forcing someone to carry a child. I do not understand how either of those situations represent anything other than other people trying to do her thinking. I don’t understand how it is that you believe that a fetus and a woman are equals. Even if you insist upon assigning them the same status as human, that in any other senerio I am betting that you would not permit one to do anything to another without their consent. Yet, in the instance that a woman gets pregnant and does not wish to there is something, or as you insist, someone, inside of her that she for her own reasons, does not wish to be there.
Because it is new and has potential you believe that it’s rights trump hers, and that she has no choice but to forgo all rights to her body so that it can utilize it.
You say it won’t cause a disruption, but that is not true. I have now known 2 women my age, who wanted to be pregnant, and are still asking when the joy of pregnancy kicks in. One of whom would have starved if she needed her income to survive. She was so sick the entire time she had to leave her job. She was fortunate, they struggled without her income, but they made it.
I know others who would not be so fortunate. They have required their income. Had they been bed ridden, it would have been without a bed.
You then argue that there is a soul. Which means to me that we are who are are before hand. This means that as there are rapists and murderers, and burglers and such in the world, one can hardly term a fetus as innocent without first conducting a thorough investigation.
This is the only way that it is plausible that the act of becoming a doctor does not warrant some degree of regard considering the amount of work and dedication invested in merely the studies. Then, to actually do the work of a doctor, a good doctor anyway, is certainly of value. Unless, they were born knowing how to be doctors, then I guess no more than a vagabond.
The point is that you are still looking for the support from somewhere. If there was none for your thoughts on your situation, what would you have done. I’m looking for you to say that if I stood alone and everyone else was against my decision I would or would not have still done what I believed to be right. I have a feeling that I know the answer, if I am correct as to what I suspect you would have done then you have no reason to avoid facing it. It is my suspicion you would have done just as you did. Which is just the kind of thing that I have enourmous respect for. Not because of what you decided, but for staying with your decision when you knew it was right. It is great that you had support for it, but there are women who find themselves in your position, wishing to do as you did, without the support. However, you are the only one who knows the answer.
Comment posted July 24th, 2006 at 11:10 am
Pansy Moss says:
Pansy,
I do not for the life of me understand how it is you see a difference in pressuring someone to have an abortion, and forcing someone to carry a child.
I know. In the end I believe the baby is a human who has a right to live, and abortion is murder. If I believed pregnancy were simply a medical condition, and not a medical condition plus a separate life, then I would agree with you whole heartedly.
I agree people should have choices as to what to do with their medical treatment. For example, I don’t think that vaccinations should be mandated for reasons you stated. But abortion to me is more than that. A woman has many choices-to not get pregnant, to keep the child, to put it up for adoption, if she keeps it, how to go about her life, but her child has no choices. Their life consists of whether their mother allows them to live or die, no choices for them. They should be allowed to live.
Comment posted July 24th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
Lucy says:
Pansy,
There is more to life than a pulse.
What about women who can’t support themselves, never mind a child. What about a woman in that position who does not believe in armed robbery, such as the welfare system?
Serfs didn’t have rights, or need rights. Rights, such as the rights that should allow science to investigate with or without your approval, are required so that an individual can think for themselves and make the decisions to best determine how to live their lives. The idea of rights is based on the grounds that you do not know my pain, you do not know my joy, whatever would allow you to make decisions that would guide my life properly? A potted plant is alive, yet it would hardly be proper to say it has rights.
You wish to provide rights to an entity that does not require them, and you will do so at the expense of one who does. You can call what I have to say ‘Rhetoric’ all you would like. It doesn’t matter. What I am saying is the truth. A woman has the right to decide what happens to her body. She is the only one who knows her pain and her joy. She is the one who is left to live with her decisions. Why should you get to impose your beliefs upon her. What you believe is what you believe. That you may be wrong seems to have escaped you. That others are entitled to their beliefs seems to have escaped you as well.
Your opinions that birth control is wrong are in conflict with your wish to extend it as an option. This is also in conflict with your desire to prevent education regarding the possible options regarding birth control. It is perfectly in line however with your desire to impose your position on the rest of us through legislation.
You should not be allowed to do my thinking, or to have the government legislate my thinking. You have one body and one mind. You experience pain and joy with one body and one mind. Why in the world do you get to control more than that?
Their ‘life’ as you call it, consists of the equivalent of a life support system, the system being the woman. Yet the fetus does not own the system. Actually, this is an idea that was created by an individual building upon the thoughts of Judith Jarvis Thomson. If you don’t own the body, you don’t have any rights to it. The actual owner of the body can choose to put you up for a bit, but they have no obligation. In this sense, yes the actualization of the potential life inside of the woman does hinge directly upon the womans willingness or lack of willingness to allow it to reside inside of her.
Just the same, there are those upon here who have called the removal of a life support system murder. Yet, when medical technology is to be explored for the purpose of creating new methods of protecting actual human lives, it is declared to be wrong because it will destroy an embryo that isn’t even a potential. Or that a woman could be guilty of murder if she does not live with her mother who has cancer. As though putting her life on hold for no other reason than to ‘keep her mother alive’ will prevent the cancer from doing what cancer does. It is sad, but a warm body in the room has yet to cure cancer. It is sad, it is always sad.
Yet, still, the removal of a life support system is not murder. The lack of availablity, or the inability to afford is not murder. Being unable to stay with an ailing loved one is not murder. Being unwiling or unable to permit a potential human from growing inside of a woman for 40 weeks is not murder. It is the refusal to provide a life support system that didn’t belong to the potential life.
If you wish to allow another life to use your body until they are capable of actually pursuing life, that is your decision. You have your reasons and should not be denied them.
Comment posted July 26th, 2006 at 9:33 am
Pansy Moss says:
Lucy,
What is it you hope to accomplish by coming here repeatedly and telling us we do not have the right to vote, rally, or discuss in a blog our thoughts on this issue? You are not disputing with us in the comments section of a pro-choice blog, but coming to a pro-life blog trying to convince us that a baby is not a baby. Why? It’s not going to happen.
You are beating a dead horse no matter how many times you put the words “life” in quotes.
Comment posted July 26th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
Lucy says:
Pansy,
I was hoping to find a civilized individual who understands that you cannot vote away the rights of another individual to think as they think. That you can rally or discuss your ideas to your hearts content, that you can even vote in a system that has lost its respect for the system that our forefathers established. But that you might understand that you cannot vote away our rights to think differently, and comprehend the world differently and act on our convictions instead of yours.
Would you like to speak for the group as usual and say that there is no civilized indivual to be found here? Would you like to tell me how it is that you believe that you may vote away my rights to my own mind and body and tell me to sit down and shut up while you do it?
You’ve still not told me what grounds upon which you wish to enslave me to your whims. Because your bible tells you so? Your bible is filled with horror story upon horror story of murders, pillages and rapes said to be ordered by your god. Your bible then has the nerve to give orders such as love your neighbor and other drivel when the context that it is bedded in is considered. I’ve still not figured out why in the world one would have 700 wives and 300 mistresses. What were the save the marriage declarations back them, 1 man 700 women? Morality indeed.
But you would like me to sit down and shut up while you try to vote away my life? Vote away my right to think differently than you? You yourself admit willingly that you have no proof that the fetus is a person, you just believe it to be. You will vote away my life because you feel something in your gut, that for all I know could be an adverse reaction to tonights dinner, and you think that I should what? What Pansy.
Will you tell me now that it is your opinion that this is not the place to look for civilized individuals?
Comment posted July 26th, 2006 at 10:50 pm
Pansy Moss says:
But you would like me to sit down and shut up
I don’t want to shut you up. I asked you a question, rhetoric-free. I know I cannot change your mind because you do not want to believe a preborn baby is human. You cannot change mine because I do believe it is human.
So I ask you again, what do you hope to accomplish by coming here and repeating yourself over and over again that what we want is to enslave you? Belittling our position doesn’t change anyone minds here. Has it yet?
No one cares about enslaving you. We vote on stopping genocide.
Comment posted July 27th, 2006 at 5:25 am
Pansy Moss says:
Lucy,
See The Rutgers National Marriage
Project
“>The Harris Protocol on comment blog debates.
Comment posted July 27th, 2006 at 8:50 am
Pansy Moss says:
Oops, sorry. Try this:
Harris Protocol
Comment posted July 27th, 2006 at 8:51 am
Lucy says:
Try this Pansy
http://www.elroy.net/ehr/abortionanswers.html#alive
Comment posted July 27th, 2006 at 9:09 am
Lucy says:
Pansy,
No, you vote on telling me that I have no choice but to think as you say. You vote on controlling me. I don’t care if you think abortion is wrong. I care if you wish to tell me what I should think. Do you understand that you will legislate against my ability to do what I know to be right in order to enforce what you believe to be right?
I told you what I was trying to accomplish. It was not to sway your opinion, but to preserve my right to mine. I was hoping not to convince someone that abortion was okay in their opinion, but that I have a right to my opinion. Not that I have to ask for my rights to my opinion.
Individual rights cannot be taken away by mob rule, or by that of a king. It is not the system we are supposed to have. I was simply asking you to respect humanity. I guess you have no intent.
Do you speak for god or as god? As I do not believe in your god, you can…no, I imagine you can’t imagine how this looks to me.
Oh, and accusing me of using rhetoric every time I say something that you don’t like to evade what you do is not effective.
Comment posted July 27th, 2006 at 9:16 am
Lucy says:
Pansy,
Why are you showing me that? What is the point? Some Christian kids want to demonstrate to the world that there is something wrong with not being Christian and they want to do it using tools that have no historical founding in Christianity,such as reason and rational. They would like to defend a religion that requires a divorce from reason with rules of reason. That’s good. I mean really, please, hold the door open and let them try.
You were thinking that this would better explain to me how you would like me to address you? If you remember I originally did address you as though you were a reasonable person. Then you started making racist commentaries, declaring that employees have more rights than employers because they might go to hell if they don’t get to oppress the people above them, you have called me a liar regarding things that you just didn’t know about, and tell me that somehow you have a right to oppress me as well, and that somehow you think that I should permit you to do so because you have some big bad imaginary friend on your side. Oh, and on regular basis you explain to me how I don’t understand things that other people besides you have said.
When were you going to start following those rules? As I’ve stated, I find you incredibly offensive.
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