Heh! Great point.

I’m extremely late on this discussion, but this statement reminded me of one time a few months back when my brothers and I found a mouse in our backyard. Of course, the dogs were trying to kill it, so we scooped the mouse up and tried to take it to a safe place. But the mouse was scared of us and struggled to get out of our arms. Finally, it succeeded and jumped away from us… right into the dog’s mouth.

Some people fall to see who their real enemies are.

I’ve not taken a poll to see how many. I’m not of the impression that I need to have the approval of the masses for my position.

You wrote, “Actually, I was until I was about 15 or 16. That was about the time I started to realize how horrible your side actually was.”

I have often said we all start out pro-life. Let me guess you started having sex around 15 or 16 too.

I was more talking about people who have been active in the pro-life movement, who realized the “error” of their ways and converted to the pro-choice movement. I didn’t expect their to be many.

Joe

I was speaking literally as in, not every one is Beethoven.

That whole soul stuff; I also don’t follow Plato.

We aren’t born good, bad, anything like that. We have to work for it.

I follow Aristotle. As closely as I am able. I love Aristotle. The difference between Aristotle and Plato is that of night and day. Aristotle would have essentially been a Deist.

That which drives the pianist to make the keys sing is the condition of living-which is different from being alive. There is Passion in living, for living. Being alive doesn’t require that.

For now I am going to bed however.

Goodnight.

My understanding of what is actually going on, has of course changed and evolved over time, I have added new resources that support my position, however, I have never found reason to return to you. Awake is a wonderful thing. You won’t understand until you feel it.

As for those who have joined you, they have their reasons I’m sure. If they ever change their minds, they will be more than welcome to return.

I am curious. In the pro-life crowd we have many converts who worked in the abortion industry and have been converted to be pro-life. They convert because of how horrible it is to be pro-abortion.

I would like to know how many pro-lifers that you have heard that have turned to your side. Are there any? It seems to me that if your position is correct and consistent with truth that many on our side would just simply reject us immoral (as you put it) people and join your side.

If you are chomping at the bit for a list of people that were pro-abortion that have turned to our side…. Just ask for it…. You won’t be disappointed.

Joe

Yet it takes something special to make a piano sing. Would you agree?

Yet there is something in both that makes it equally playing the piano, and yet none could call them equal. Would you agree

Lucy,
Yes I agree. But it is the soul that makes the piano sing. And the soul comes from somewhere that cannot be seen or touched or proven. When you look up at those silent stars, ask yourself where they came from. And if the answer comes that they are from the one who created them, and if you hear those stars begin to sing, then fall on your knees and pledge yourself to the One who has created such a beautiful song. And reverence the human soul contained in the tiny body of a babe that was created along with the stars by Him who creates all. Do not destroy what He has created. Rather, join the song, lift your voice and praise Him for the great things that He does. Thank Him for your gift of Life and respect all other lives that He also creates. Don’t blame Him for your parents sins. They had free will and also made “choices”. They only played the piano. You however have the choice to make it sing… To make the piano sing you must first make sure that it is in perfect tune. It is meant to make certain sounds. It was created for a specific purpose. When it is tuned perfectly, then each string is doing what it was meant to do. It is following its natural course. Any string out of tune and the whole piano sounds wrong. We were meant to love each other in a specific way. We were created with a specific purpose. If you are in perfect tune then you will play a perfect song. When a new life is created it is because that is what it was meant to be. By allowing this new string (life) to do it’s job you are allowing the piano to be played the way it was intended. You can play many types of music. Rock, folk, jazz, classical…but only if the strings are as they should be. If I told you that you could only play jazz on your piano then I would be infringing on your rights…but if I tell you that the piano will only play properly if it is properly tuned, then I am not infringing on your rights, I am helping you to play to the best of your ability. Dear Lucy, you may play any tune that you want. But please, your piano is out of tune. And your song will be dissonant unless you adjust those strings. Play as the piano was meant to be played and the stars will sing along. Your little Emily would join in harmony with you if you only let her. Her string is perfectly tuned. And the One who created the piano? Well, He will sit back and listen…with a smile on His face, tapping his foot, so pleased that you have learned well…to play a perfect song…
MK

LOL
MK

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Pansy Moss says:

You are very close. I rather wish you hadn’t felt I would believe that you were being sarcastic.

MK is not being sarcastic. She is a charitable soul and is hoping to achieve some common ground.
Comment posted July 20th, 2006 at 3:57 am

Yet it takes something special to make a piano sing. Would you agree?

Walt Whitman (1819–1892). Leaves of Grass. 1900.

33. To Him that was Crucified

MY spirit to yours, dear brother;
Do not mind because many, sounding your name, do not understand you;
I do not sound your name, but I understand you, (there are others also;)
I specify you with joy, O my comrade, to salute you, and to salute those who are with you, before and since—and those to come also,
That we all labor together, transmitting the same charge and succession; 5
We few, equals, indifferent of lands, indifferent of times;
We, enclosers of all continents, all castes—allowers of all theologies,
Compassionaters, perceivers, rapport of men,
We walk silent among disputes and assertions, but reject not the disputers, nor any thing that is asserted;
We hear the bawling and din—we are reach’d at by divisions, jealousies, recriminations on every side, 10
They close peremptorily upon us, to surround us, my comrade,
Yet we walk unheld, free, the whole earth over, journeying up and down, till we make our ineffaceable mark upon time and the diverse eras,
Till we saturate time and eras, that the men and women of races, ages to come, may prove brethren and lovers, as we are.

180. When I heard the Learn’d Astronomer

WHEN I heard the learn’d astronomer;
When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me;
When I was shown the charts and the diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them;
When I, sitting, heard the astronomer, where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room,
How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick; 5
Till rising and gliding out, I wander’d off by myself,
In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.

The actuality of why I said that I wished you hadn’t felt that I would think you had been sarcastic was truly simply because it was so very close to where I am coming from. That was all. That you think that I would think you sarcastic was part of why I tried to go into such depth in explaining.

I am trying to think of how to expain further. If you are still actually interested in having me explain. I’m not sure how though.

I don’t know if I can give you poems by Whitman, if that will help. This is my favorite of his poems.

Where have you been threatened on here? Where has any indication been given that violence would be directed to you?

Actually, I am angry because you want to control me and think I am dumb enough not to know it. I am not helpless, and you are not helping me. You are of no use to me at all.

You don’t know what women think or feel. You don’t certainly don’t know how I feel or what I think. You wish to impose your ignorant versions of it on me.

You seem horribly ignorant and angry to me. You sound like the same kind of control freak who wants any group to believe that they can’t live without them. Once again you have no willing victim here.

I am not your willing victim.

Abortion and contraception is not about me controlling a woman’s body, it is about a woman giving up control of her body to a loser whose child she does not want to carry.

With abortion and contraception women are more easily manipulated by men who merely want to control their bodies like a remote control car. The woman’s body becomes a play thing… a toy… These women intuitively know this, but are manipulated once again by abortion providers and contraceptive manufacturers. The people who manipulate them blame the people who are trying to protect them and the paranoid victim lashes out at the very people who are most trying to help them.

Promiscuous women are constantly at a very high rate of anxiety and very defensive (This explains a lot of the anger and lashing out we see on this site). I would be too if I were trapped in a lifestyle that required giving up control of my body on a regular basis to strangers.

People in a high state of anxiety are very susceptible to suggestion. The messages most preferred by a distressed individual are ones that are most supportive of their current lifestyle and past choices. After all, if you are already feeling helpless you would want to hide from the realities that make this feeling worse.

This is why we see such template behavior from all the pro-abortion women we come across on this site. I would swear sometimes that they are the same person. They use the same talking points and sound bites. They also react very similarly when being challenged. That similarity being defensive, aggressive and in my opinion violent.

“Do you suppose that they have Planned Parenthoods under lock and key, with Bullet Proof glass because of us or you?”

If a Planned Parenthood clinic is attacked by a patron who realized that she was manipulated, would she be classified as “one of you” or “one of us’? If an abortionist went crazy from guilt and he started shooting up his own clinic would be “one of us” or “one of you”? If an escapee from an insane asylum thought he was attacking Pizza Hut instead of a Planned Parenthood clinic would he be “one of us” or “one of you”? In the Planned Parenthood way of thinking all three would be classified as “one of us” as far as I am concerned all three should be classified as “one of you”.