Never Interrupt an Enemy While He Is Destroying Himself
— Posted by John (August 4, 2006 at 10:13 am)
JivinJ blogged last week on “possibly the worst pro-choice column I have ever read”.
The column, titled “Wad of cells does not equate to human life, abortion isn’t murder”, was written by Shane Krouse, a Michigan State sophomore, and appeared in The State News, an MSU paper.
Krouse writes:
If anything, a fetus is merely a parasitical creature that uses the mother as its host.
Tapeworms are parasites that house themselves in the intestinal tracts of humans, feeding off the food the host consumes. Comparatively, a fetus is little more than a tapeworm. It is quite common for humans to annihilate parasites with medications or toxins, so why not allow for fetuses to suffer the same fate?
He also refers to a human fetus as “merely a wad of cells” (apparently the old standard phrase “clump of cells” is now considered passé). He also waxes theological:
Fundamentalists fiercely oppose abortion because they believe it is murder. They often recognize those who are “slaughtered” by holding vigils and other ceremonies.
Do any of these individuals realize that according to the National Institutes of Health, 25 percent of conceived embryos perish within the first six weeks due to complications such as failure to implant to the uterus wall? That’s right — a quarter of all “humans” conceived end up “dying.”
It would appear that the “loving” God of these fundamentalists is many more times guilty of murder than all the human race’s abortionists combined.
And, for the finale, he revisits the Fetuses Are Parasites theme:
Life begins when the baby is passed through the birth canal and exits the womb. At this point, the baby is no longer physically connected to the mother and no longer freeloading its nutrients and oxygen from mommy.
In response to Krouse’s column, the State News recently printed the following letter:
Abortion column even offends pro-choicers
I am neither pro-life nor religious, yet the column written by Shane Krouse, “Wad of cells does not equate to human life, abortion isn’t murder,” (SN 7/26), appalls me.
Not only are his points offensive, they lack any type of reasoning or medical or political background. Though I am for women’s right to choose, I did not appreciate the terminology Krouse used in his column. Calling an unborn child “parasitic” and comparing it to a “tapeworm” is degrading and unfair. Congratulations, Krouse. You’ve even managed to offend pro-choicers.
Most offensive to me is the fact that Krouse, a male, thinks he has the authority to write a column about abortion. Krouse, can you get pregnant? No.
Men will never be able to put themselves in a woman’s position, and abortion cannot directly affect them. I would have so much more respect for a column about abortion if it had valid reasoning for aborting a fetus. The mother’s health? Financial and emotional state of the mother? Age of the mother?
None of these are even mentioned as an afterthought. I certainly am not going to take a column written by a male seriously.
Keep your laws off my body, and keep Krouse off The State News’ Opinion Page.
Liz Herrington
English senior
Oooh! Dissension in the “pro-choice” ranks! And along gender lines, no less. This is especially ironic, considering that women are more pro-life than men anyway.
Truly, nothing destroys a movement quite like in-fighting.
I’m at a loss to come up with a fitting adjective to describe Krouse’s column. The best one I can come up with is “clarifying” because he articulates the pro-abortion position in such a thoroughly unapologetic way. And, in so doing, he shows the senseless depravity that imbues said position.
In the future, I hope to see more columns like Krouse’s. The more outrageous, caustic, and illogical the rhetoric, the better.
At the end of the day, such ranting increasingly contributes to the realization that the pro-abortion ethos doesn’t play in Peoria.
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Pansy Moss says:
I wonder what people’s intention are when writing articles like this. Is it to change a pro-lifer’s mind by disgusting them to death?
Comment posted August 4th, 2006 at 10:19 am
Christina says:
I think they believe that they’re demonstrating their sophistication and originality of thought. As if the “fetus as parasite” and “wad of tissue” lines of babbling haven’t been done to death.
Comment posted August 4th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
Pansy Moss says:
Christina,
You know about ten years ago, there was a trend of many pro-choicers top abandon that argument. What you started hearing was “yes, I know it’s a baby, but infanticide was always practiced by society for the good of everyone…”
This resurgence of the “wad of tissue” argument is like how everything 80s, like pencil straight jeans are coming back.
Comment posted August 4th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
joe says:
Here are a couple of things I thought of while reading.
“Most offensive to me is the fact that Krouse, a male, thinks he has the authority to write a column about abortion. Krouse, can you get pregnant?” and “Men will never be able to put themselves in a woman’s position, and abortion cannot directly affect them.”
The “men can’t get pregnant so they shouldn’t be able to speak about it” is so dumb. Actually if only the person most directly hurt by abortion gets to speak, women should shut their mouths too, as the unborn baby is the only one directly affected by abortion.
In reality we are the only ones to be taken seriously by that logic because ONLY we are doing what is best for the person most directly affected. That person being the unborn child.
Another thing was the Krouse kid’s stupid “parasite” argument. Using the term parasite is not only insulting to every human person, but it is also anti-science. Aren’t the pro-aborts always complaining that we are not scientific enough for them? Well how come no one complains when they use stupid descriptions like parasite and wad of cells?
Comment posted August 4th, 2006 at 8:33 pm
Young Christian Woman says:
As a person who has lost “wads of cells” that I love very much–well before the time they do start to look human–I found Krouse’s article doubly offensive. First, that he obviously has no knowledge of fetal development: only in ignorance or deliberate obfuscation can one refer to a fetus at six or eight weeks as a mere “wad of cells.” Second, that the right to life should rest on appearance: in the eyes of God, a human at fertilization or at two weeks is as worthy of love as I am.
He also seems confused about legality and viability. He claims that the Supreme Court recognizes humanity at viability. Well then, why is abortion in the third trimester permitted? And why does he later say that life does not begin until birth? He seems a bit confused on the issue, not that this is uncommon among those who want women to be able to have their sons and daughters ripped apart.
Comment posted August 5th, 2006 at 6:23 am
Mike says:
Has anyone heard about this yet …
Morning-After Pill Debate Leaves “View” Host Elisabeth Hasselbeck In Tears
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A heated argument about the “morning-after” birth-control pill left co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck in tears on “The View” yesterday on ABC.
The 31-year-old was so distraught she had to be comforted by “View” den mother Barbara Walters, 74, who was seen holding Hasselbeck in her arms after the show returned from a commercial break.
Hasselbeck found herself outnumbered after she voiced her opposition to the controversial contraceptive, which is said to be capable of preventing pregnancy if taken up to 72 hours after unprotected sex.
“These kinds of issues arouse the strongest emotions,” said Walters, introducing the subject.
“They do!” Hasselbeck blurted out. “My heart is, like, almost out of my chest right now!”
“Why?” asked co-host Joy Behar, 62.
Hasselbeck explained that she feels the pill disrupts pregnancies after conception, the point where she believes life begins. “It’s the same thing as birthing a baby and leaving it out in the street!” she declared.
Guest host Lisa Loeb, 38, then called Hasselbeck’s views “extreme.” And Behar questioned her sharply. “So you would say that a 12-year-old girl . . . who’s been raped by her father or her uncle should proceed to term because that’s ‘a life’?” Behar shrieked.
Walters then tried to lower the volume. “Elisabeth, calm down, dear,” Walters scolded.
“I can’t! This makes me so upset, Barbara!” Hasselbeck said.
As the segment ended, Hasselbeck was seen tearing a sheet of paper in half in frustration.
And when the show returned from commercials, it was obvious Hasselbeck had been crying.
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=126564
Mike
Comment posted August 5th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
rosie says:
Mike,
I like watching the view because of Elizabeth and I can’t stand to watch it because of Joy, not only because of her political views but the way she expresses herself is just plain annoying and obnoxious. It isn’t very surprising the show hasn’t won any awards, it’s become so brutal.
Comment posted August 5th, 2006 at 7:31 pm
Mike says:
Rosie,
I have only watched “The View” a couple of times. I did not like the show. I was shocked to see one of their hosts was actually Pro-Life — Elisabeth Hasselbeck. One of the reasons I do not like the show is because I don’t care for Barbara Walters. I would much rather listen to Fr. Corapi speak on Relevant Radio rather than to watch “The View”.
I looked up the bio on Elisabeth Hasselbeck and something that stood out was she is active with the Susan Komen Foundation. I think its great to fight Breast Cancer but I do not think any Pro-Lifer should endorse the Komen Foundation. The Komen Foundation secretly funnels money to Planned Parenthood which is the largest killing center of unborn babies in the U.S. There are many studies which state abortion is one of the causes of breast cancer. Maybe Elisabeth Hasselbeck is not aware of this but I am glad she stood up for the beginning stages of life on “The View”.
I agree with giving time and money to Breast Cancer Research but there are other good solid Pro-Life Organizations to endorse instead of giving time and money to the Komen Foundation.
Mike
Comment posted August 5th, 2006 at 7:57 pm
rosie says:
Mike,
I haven’t watched the view in a while and I probably won’t because they are bringing Rosie O’Donnel on board,UGH!
I know there are pro-life watch groups out there that can tell you who not to give money to, but how do you find them? I haven’t shopped at whole foods for a while because they give to planned parenthood but I had to find out by chance from someone else. Anybody know?
Comment posted August 5th, 2006 at 9:56 pm
Mike says:
Rosie,
Here are a few websites I know about which lists places not to give your money to …
Fight Planned Parenthood
http://www.fightpp.org/
Boycotts For Life
http://marysremnant.org/Boycott/
Pro Life Boycotts
http://www.powerweb.net/dcwrl/Boycott.htm
I am sure there are many other websites if you just run a search on the web.
And as for Rosie O’Donnell joining “The View”. Just another reason not to watch the show or morning programming in general. With Rosie here comes all the homosexual agenda propaganda. I now really feel sorry for Elisabeth Hasselbeck on the show. I guess we will have to pray for Elisabeth. I will stick to listening to my favorite radio stations: Relevant Radio, EWTN and Catholic Answers Live.
Mike
Comment posted August 6th, 2006 at 9:42 am
mary kay says:
Hey Lucy,
I posted you on the contraception site…#82 I think. Just didn’t know if you guys were done on the one yet and I didn’t want you to miss it…I’ve been on vacation so I’ve missed a lot…
MK
Comment posted August 6th, 2006 at 10:00 pm
Quinn says:
I saw the clip of Hasselbeck getting hysterical and crying. I think that is an example of a Godless liberal becoming “unhinged” as that high school girl Lauren likes to say.
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 9:45 pm
Lauren, lauren, lauren says:
High school girl Lauren, lol. Like the right wing extremist you are Quinn? Seriously I wouldn’t be surprised if you become the next Eric Rudolph. And this site just loves you! Shocking!
Btw, I’m a senior in college, not that it matters.
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
rosie says:
Quinn,
Hasselbeck is very conservative, she was arguing against the morning after pill. I thought she did ok though I especially love the look she gives Barbara after she gets yelled at for voicing her opinion.
Just out of curiosity, have you read Ann Coulters book “Godless”? My husband read it and thinks she is on to something. I’m curious about what others think.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 10:44 am
Pansy Moss says:
Just out of curiosity, have you read Ann Coulters book “Godless”? My husband read it and thinks she is on to something. I’m curious about what others think.
I liked it. My uncle said she goes overboard a bit on tangents and does not like her. I actually do not agree with everything she says. BUt I do not take her totally serious. She has a great sense of humor and it is nice to hear her joking about the rhetoric we hear all the time.
I never finished it because my 13-year-old stole it from me before I could finish. She is a big Ann Coulter fan.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
John says:
Rosie said: ‘Just out of curiosity, have you read Ann Coulters book “Godless”?’
Perhaps she makes some good points in the book. I don’t know.
Apparently it’s enjoying brisk sales. I haven’t read it, and I don’t plan to.
I’m not a fan of hers. She strikes me as somewhat of a clanging cymbal: she says outrageous things to get publicity.
Earlier this year she remarked at a CPAC conference, “I think our motto should be post-9-11, ‘raghead talks tough, raghead faces consequences.’”
That’s inexcusable.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
lauren says:
Wow. For a lady who came to my Catholic university and called my Muslim friends “ragheads” and incited my school to violence, It says a lot when Rosie references her…
“Just out of curiosity, have you read Ann Coulters book “Godless”? My husband read it and thinks she is on to something. I’m curious about what others think. ”
Oh she’s on to something alright… those 9/11 widows loved their husbands’ deaths! So much so they loved telling their kids their fathers weren’t coming home. Rosie and Pansy, your colors show bright.
John, thank you for being a decent human being.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
rosie says:
Lauren,
That’s hardly what the book is about,read it or don’t comment. There’s plenty of big mouths on the liberal side. Thanks!
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 3:57 pm
joe says:
I read Ann Coulters book and thought she made a very good case. We have been calling Liberalism a “secular religion” for years. It is about time someone attempted to connect the dots in an entertaining way.
I know Ann’s style is not very feeling friendly when she degrades entire classes of people, especially when using terms like raghead. I think her sort rhetoric is a scream. It may be “politically incorrect” and “inexcusable” by some standards, but all and all it is harmless. There probably is a Muslim comedian out there that starts his show with, “You know you’re a raghead if….” And the biggest fans are probably from the Middle East.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 7:27 pm
rosie says:
Joe,
True, i’m Polish and I happen to think a lot of Polish jokes are funny. It’s liberating to be able to laugh at one self.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
lauren says:
The hilarious part is, I did read the book, as I’ve read all of her others.. Much of it is plagiarized. But you know she KNOWS so much!!! You’re officially now a racist nowthat you endorse Ann Coulter. congratulations
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 8:25 pm
lauren says:
Calling black people niggers—also a SCREAM! You’re soooo Christian Joe!
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 8:25 pm
lauren says:
At least John and Eric sorta stay down the line.. You all are bigots and racists that’s all there is to it.. Thanks for bringing up Coulter cuz now it’s for all of the world to see!
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 8:26 pm
mary kay says:
Lauren my love,
You’re killin’ me here.
So now I’m a rapist, a terrorist, a bigot and a racist. Oh and let’s not forget Schizophrenic. You know, nice one day, and calling you names another…oh no, that’s right, that’s what you just did! Maybe you want to add this to your newpaper so that Loyola can see just who is schizo and who is not…
I could lose a little weight myself…think I’ll go and LMAO…
MK
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 9:57 pm
mary kay says:
Lauren,
In the tarot deck there is a card called the fool. He is often depicted as a jester, eyes to the sky, whistling a happy tune, so full of himself, so sure, so convinced he has the world on a string and knows all there is to know.
Of course he doesn’t realize that he is about to walk off the edge of a cliff…
Moral of the story? Think before you act or in your case speak. We could take you a whole lot more seriously if you proofread your words before you sent them. Methinks your delete button would be well worn…
MK
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 10:02 pm
Pansy Moss says:
Joe and Rosie,
Like I said, I don’t even agree with a lot of what she says, but she is not running for anything. She is strictly entertainment IMO. I don’t like the raghead remark (or any racial remark for that matter). But like you said, she is tongue and cheek. She is a neat counter to Michael Moore.
Lauren,
Please refrain from using the ‘n’ word. Just because you are proabortion, I am not sure why you believe that gives you some free jurisdiction to use such language.
John or Annie…are these comments moderated at all?
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 3:54 am
rosie says:
Lauren
“You’re officially now a racist nowthat you endorse Ann Coulter. congratulations ”
Pro-Aborts support racists honey, get your head out of the sand.
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
John says:
Pansy said: “John or Annie…are these comments moderated at all?
Pansy,
The only time a comment is held for moderation is when it contains multiple URLs (apparently the WordPress software assumes that such comments might be spam).
Of course, there’s a larger issue you have in mind, which I addressed in this comment on another post.
In that comment, I wrote:
In all honesty, I am dismayed that the boundaries of civil discourse have been crossed in the comments section on this blog by several individuals on many occasions.
I could not possibly jump in to note every time this happens.
Tending to this website/blog is only one of many tasks that Annie, Eric, and I have in the course of our job. We don’t even have time to read every comment, much less offer our $.02 to points we would like to address.
I guess that comes with the territory when we have adopted a policy that we are loath to censor anyone.
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
joe says:
Lauren writes, “You all are bigots and racists that’s all there is to it..”
Lauren is the most predictable person in the universe. I especially like the way she blames the entire pro-life movement for my opinions.
I was at a customer site and one of the owners of the company heard me say that dego was a funny way to describe Italians. He is Italian and wasn’t offended. It was kind of my test to see if I was off base with my raghead stance. Plus I thought it would be funny to lose a customer if I was wrong.
I disagree with you that I am a racist though. I am polish and I don’t mind the term polack. Actually, unlike Lauren I like all people, it does not matter to me where they come from and especially does not matter how old they are.
If I were a real racist I would be pro-abortion like Lauren, abortion has proven to be a pretty handy way to get rid of minorities. Which I think was the whole idea of legalizing it in the first place.
So… This is not a very fitting place for a pro-abort to throw out the “racist card” as pro-lifers give their hard earned time and money to protect ALL children and help their mothers (I have yet to meet a pro-lifer that is pro-life only for Caucasians).
If I were a racist, I wouldn’t waste my time disliking ragheads, I think I would prefer to dislike Frogs or perhaps Swedes.
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 6:52 pm
joe says:
John wrote, “The only time a comment is held for moderation…”
You can probably use a word substitution plugin for Wordpress to take care of some of the more ruthless language. This one will probably do the trick.
http://verminox.com/scripts/wp-wordfilter/
This plugin for wordpress will let you replace words with other new words you specify in a table on the admin area.
I would suggest replacing “raghead” with “almost likable Muslim man” and you can replace the “n” word with something like “friendly African American folks”. I would go nuts and change “Lauren” to “Stupid White Chick who thinks she knows everything” and then change the word “Joe” to “I wanna be just like you”.
Then Laurens last post would read:
Stupid White Chick who thinks she knows everything says:
Calling black people friendly African American folks-also a SCREAM! You’re soooo Christian I wanna be just like you.”
Now that would be funny.
Supposedly the way it works is your original database content (ie. the post) would retain its original text, so if you wanted to blackmail Lauren some day for using the “n” word, you can still have proof. Last I hear liberals don’t believe in using the “n” word for any reason at all, so I doubt many of her friends would give her a by on that one.
Joe
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
rosie says:
Joe,
LOL!!! That is a Polish knee slapper!
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 8:45 pm
Pansy Moss says:
In all honesty, I am dismayed that the boundaries of civil discourse have been crossed in the comments section on this blog by several individuals on many occasions.
John,
I suppose I am guilty as charged, although I do try very hard (because I never worded what I was truly thinking, and I think I am doing “OK” because not only do I hold back many thoughts, I go back reread and delete, delete, and delete). Like I have said 100xs here, I have no problem with differing opinions, and discussing those differences. I get very flustered with being called “racists, gun toters, bigots, rapists, murderers, the ‘n’ word, facists, Nazis, someone who wants to “own women”, someone who has “their head in the sand”, slave masters, someone who “doesn’t think”, someone who does not “cotton to science”, hypocrits” and the list goes on. If you search through Lauren and Lucy’s posts (”Other Annie” did the “cotton to science” remark), they have literally used this terminology to describe the pro-lifers on this forum. They have even accused people of trying to murder them. There is only so much of that one can take before getting pretty POed.
After awhile, after explaining over and over and over again “we are not facists, nazis (insert terminology from above list) we just believe that abortion is the murder of an innocent child” to hear “nope, you want to own my body because you are a facist pornographer”, it becomes very annoying. It is hard not to hear personal attacks over and over again, and not get personal.
I do not know why they come here except to abuse people they cannot abuse in real life. You cannot agree with a single blog post in the comments box on this forum without Lauren or Lucy jumping on you with personal attacks. Again, not with legitimate objections to the topic at hand. Lauren does not even address the topic at hand (like can be seen in the post about the father and son who run the marathons and triathalons), but just throws a jab in.
Like I said, I do not write this comment as someone who is totally innocent, but I do try. I know Lucy, for example is annoyed that from her responses on our debate about the OOW rate in the black community, I said she really does not care. (I know she will bring that up in response to this comment)> It is a very personal and upsetting issue to me, and in my opinion, if you care, you want desperately better for this segment of Americans. I am not sure why if you put a perspective out there in a debate, it is not subject to judgement. However, I did not say “Lucy, you are a racist”.
The thing about blogs is there are a bazillion topics out there, and people gravitate toward like-minded blogs. I have had an AP Catholic mothering blog for nearly 4 years, and for the most part, people who do not agree with Catholic AP Parenting tend not to be interested in it. There are blogs I read with people of differing opinions, such as Homesick Home, and L and I have very opposing politics. When we comment on each other’s blogs, we just steer away from the controversial topics.
Anyway, I should have a better attitude like Joe and Mary Kay. I understand you desire not to censor. I also understand the difficulty in doing so. I just feel like my reason for coming to a pro-life blog is to get out of the culture of death that surrounds us everywhere for a few minutes. Not to read the “n” word or to see kind-hearted people like MK be called a bigot and a rapist.
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 11:11 pm
John says:
Joe said: “Then Laurens last post would read:
Stupid White Chick who thinks she knows everything says:
Calling black people friendly African American folks-also a SCREAM! You’re soooo Christian I wanna be just like you.”
Now that would be funny.”
Joe,
Apparently we have different senses of humor.
Calling someone “stupid”, even in jest, has no place in constructive dialogue.
And it’s uncharitable.
I don’t see what purpose name-calling serves other than to annoy and offend one’s interlocutor (or perhaps even an entire group of people).
Facilitating discussion of the abortion issue between pro-lifers and pro-choicers is difficult enough; hurling insults like “stupid” muddies the waters even more.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
John says:
Pansy said: “I suppose I am guilty as charged…
“Like I said, I do not write this comment as someone who is totally innocent, but I do try.”
Pansy,
As I said earlier, I haven’t read anywhere near all of the comments that have been posted to all of the posts on this blog (as of this writing, the number stands at 2,458), but from the comments of yours that I have read, in my estimation, you have been decidedly civil.
Nonetheless, your humility says much about your character.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 12:20 pm
joe says:
John,
You wrote, “Apparently we have different senses of humor.”
The “put down” is a legitimate form of humor. In some cases it is not funny, but I find it very humorous in the context I use it here. It has to do with how seriously we take ourselves.
You also wrote, “And it’s uncharitable.”
Says who? I think it is uncharitable to take yourself so seriously as to make people feel guilty for some simple teasing.
And, “…hurling insults like “stupid” muddies the waters even more.”
Does it? How do you know? I suppose it doesn’t muddy the waters when YOU imply that someone is “uncharitable”, but for some reason when I am so OBVIOUSLY teasing someone it muddies the waters.
I also think it is funny that on a blog titled “Never Interrupt Your Enemy While He is shooting himself in the foot” is the one we get into an argument over what charity is.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
rosie says:
Joe,
Nevermind that you were trying to be charitable by helping them out with the advice you gave them on the blog, but whatever.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 2:01 pm
lauren says:
My newspaper? I dont have a newspaper I think? ANd I dont get where Loyola comes into this equation? Anyone else?
You know the Jester quite well Mary Kay! I dont play with Tarot Cards, they’re silly… As is a lot of things that come out of your mouth. Silliness!
A neat counter to Michael Moore? I dont recall Michael Moore ever making a SINGLE racist or bigoted comment! He hasn’t come out either way on abortion so I dont get why you care less about him… He is for non-violence! Oh wait, we’re talking about people out of the womb… you dont care for those, i forgot.
“Pro-Aborts support racists honey, get your head out of the sand. ”
Rosie, your intelligence shines so bright!
I am Italian, and I mind dago, and it has offended me. Thanks Joe.
Yep I’m a racist, yet I scream at nearly complete strangers if I hear an ethnic slur.. And that’s exactly why I’m pro-choice, i hate minorities.. Do you understand how ridiculous what you’re saying is? as for your second post, use it, if you take it out of context, that’s not my problem. I have many black friends, and if you asked my friends what pisses me off most, even more than this issue, is racism. THe most pro-life person I know, uses racial slurs on a regular basis.
“Lauren does not even address the topic at hand (like can be seen in the post about the father and son who run the marathons and triathalons), but just throws a jab in.”
Does it piss you off? Good. It’s working then. Oh and I hardly think a few personal insults really COMPARE to trying to control my body. lol
As much as what John and Eric says pisses me off and makes me feel a little sick to my stomach sometimes and even makes me say things I normally wouldn’t say, at least they try to be decent human beings. I feel as though they are misguided and wrong, but I know deep down they’re probably good people. As for the rest of you, well that’s a different story.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 2:05 pm
rosie says:
“Rosie, your intelligence shines so bright”
Thank You.
“I am Italian, and I mind dago, and it has offended me. Thanks Joe.”
I’m sure it does, coming from the girl who just put the “n” word out there.
“Does it piss you off? Good. It’s working then”
Finally she says why she’s really here,she’s miserable and looking for company.
“As for the rest of you, well that’s a different story.”
Right back at ya.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
joe says:
Lauren,
You wrote, “…yet I scream at nearly complete strangers if I hear an ethnic slur.” “I have many black friends,”
Your responses are so extreme. I think thou dost protest too much.
Joe
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 8:48 pm
Lauren, lauren, lauren says:
Social justice is my life. I just happen to stand somewhere in the middle on abortion and way way way to the left when it comes to treating people with dignity and respect. Racism and bigotry are not things I tolerate for two seconds. I don’t care if their shrouded in the veil of “christianity” or “islam”. I see it like I see it, and if I think you’re an ignorant piece of crap who literally defecates on what it means to be a human being, then hell yes I’ll call you out. Racism is not tolerable in any context. People who support it should be marginalized and the fact that you support such a person as Ann Coulter screams of the sort of hatred you have in your heart. I feel bad for you I really do. I often think you’re either pro-life/anti-choice whatever you call/slur it these days for one of two reasons 1. you really care or 2. you’re a mysoginist. Joe, you clearly fit into #2.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
Lauren, lauren, lauren says:
The irony of the title of this blogpost shakes me to the core!
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 10:45 pm
joe says:
Lauren,
“way way way to the left when it comes to treating people with dignity and respect.”
Don’t give me that garbage. You don’t believe in treating people with dignity and respect. My favorite Lauren post was when you wished we all get cancer. That was classic.
“and the fact that you support such a person as Ann Coulter screams of the sort of hatred you have in your heart.”
Okay… If you are so smart with your racism detector, what races do I hate? All of them?
The belief that the way a person feels about something is the highest form of virtue is a liberal thing. I choose to use reason and weigh the importance of a subject before getting emotional. When a persons feelings follow reason you would say it is reasonable. When a persons reasoning follows their emotions we call them teenagers.
“you’re a mysoginist. Joe”
I am different than the men you meet at school. They are extra nice to you because they want to optimize the chances of getting into your pants. This causes you confusion because when someone treats you as if you were human and not like a potential conquest, you get confused. It is not your fault you see me this way, it is a problem with the other men you know. Sooner or later you will learn this about these men and you will see clearly how guys like me value women more than they do.
I also think it is funny when you call me names, especially ones that I have to look up in the dictionary (BTW… You missplled misogynist).
Lastly… I’ll bet you laughed at my word replacement post. If you didn’t… You should have….
Comment posted August 11th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
lauren says:
When did I wish you all to get cancer? I hardly think it was that simple, and if I did say it, you must’ve said something equally as offensive.
Why do I have to cite the races you hate? I dont know. You cite Ann Coulter, I call you a racist. Simple as pie.
How do my reasonings follow my emotions? I reason about an emotional topic and get emotional? I’m not going to be stone-cold on something as touchy as my rights.
Good luck to those men trying to get in my pants. I’m with the same guy since i was 17, but i guess that’s beside the point. lol
Comment posted August 14th, 2006 at 3:45 pm