Uncleanliness Is Next to Ungodliness, Part 2
— Posted by John (August 7, 2006 at 12:02 pm)
Roaches are one thing.
Bloodstained walls are quite another.
That’s what Operation Rescue found in spades when they recently conducted Luminol testing inside the facility that formerly housed Central Women’s Services abortion clinic in Wichita, KS. (Operation Rescue now owns the facility.)
OR reported this morning:
Three members of Operation Rescue have become the first pro-lifers to use crime scene technology to conduct blood trace tests at a former abortion mill. Tested was the former Central Women’s Services, which was recently purchased by Operation Rescue. The staff members who conducted the testing are saying that the results were stunning and disturbing.
The group was curious about some of the stains and other filth discovered when they took possession of the building in June, 2006, after refusing continuation of tenancy to the abortion business that had occupied that location for 23 years. They decided to test certain surfaces inside the facility, which has remained unchanged since its purchase, with a substance called luminol, a reagent that brightly glows in the dark when it comes in contact with even minute traces of human blood.
Armed with cameras and a spray bottle of luminol, the rescuers arrived at the empty building around 9 PM on Thursday, August 3, 2006, in order to have optimum conditions for their testing. Brenna Sullenger sprayed the luminol in the areas to be tested while Keith Mason documented the results with a digital still camera and Cheryl Sullenger video-taped the testing and the results.
The group began to apply the spray to the recovery room area. All lights were extinguished as Brenna began to apply the spray to the carpeting. While a faint glow could be seen in the bottle as the spraying began, rescuers wondered at first if the product was working properly because there was nothing visible on the portion of carpet where they began their testing.
Read on for the grisly details. For the squeamish especially, consider yourselves forewarned:
It’s bad.
But as Brenna began to spray the baseboards and the walls, suddenly, the entire room reflected an eerie glow as the area began to emit a bright pale-blue luminescence – the positive indicator of the presence of human blood. The luminol revealed at times clear spatter patterns and at other times smeared areas where it appeared that clean up efforts were attempted.
“The walls looked like there had been a chain saw massacre in there,” said Cheryl Sullenger. “We couldn’t believe our eyes. We certainly did not expect to find that much blood in the recovery area. It appeared that carpeting had been laid after some very bloody event or events had taken place in that room. We were absolutely shocked.”
From there, the group moved into the first abortion room. Immediately bright reflective spots revealed a room covered in blood spatter from floor to ceiling. A floor vent revealed particularly heavy amounts of blood.
“The thought of all that blood in the ventilation system literally sickened me,” said Brenna Sullenger. “I was not sure I could continue the testing at that point. The blood spatter revealed a pattern that clearly showed the orientation of the abortion table and the location of the suction machine, but there was literally evidence of heavy blood spatter and smears everywhere.”
“It is no wonder abortion mills smell so nasty,” said Cheryl Sullenger. “The blood – and God knows what else – simply flies during an abortion and that stuff all soaks into the dry wall and gets tracked into the carpeting where it putrefies. There is no way to get rid of it aside from major demolition. From what we observed, there can be no such thing as a ‘safe, clean’ abortion clinic.”
The next room to be tested was the small closet with the sink that contained the large, industrial garbage disposal. Research revealed that the disposal model, the Sinkmaster 850, which is no longer in production, was primarily produced for kitchen use and was ironically referred to as the “Bonecrusher 850” for its ability to dispose of meat and poultry bones.
Former abortion mill owner Kelly Simpson told reporters after OR announced the purchase of the property that no “biohazard material” was placed down the Bonecrusher 850, but the blood test results of that room strongly disagreed.
“That room lit up like a Christmas tree,” said Cheryl Sullenger. “The entire area glowed with bright blue reflections indicating the thick presence of human blood.”
Can we finally be done with “safe and legal” rhetoric?
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mary kay says:
John,
Was this the abortion clinic where George Tiller performed the late term abortions?
I know you would expect to see some blood in a place like this (just like you would expect to see it in a delivery room) but this sounded so awful. Where is the abortionist now? How did operation rescue get the clinic?
2 of the girls I counsel with went into a clinic pretending to be asking for information. They never actually said that they wanted an abortion, but they were quickly escorted into a small back room to “talk”. They were show a laminaria and given the abortion spiel. But the girls kept talking about the smell. They said the whole place reeked of feces. what is that all about I wonder…I myself have never set foot in one of these places but I don’t imagine that there are Dr. Suess murals painted on the waiting room walls with “happy” music playing in the background. Guess it doesn’t smell like lavender and roses either. Yuck! Yuck and double Yuck!!!!
MK
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
Quinn says:
Way to go Keith!!
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Lauren, lauren, lauren says:
I’d be interested to see how many doctor’s offices or hotel rooms were similar.
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 10:29 pm
mary kay says:
Lauren,
would it make it right if a hotel room was also drenched in blood?
mk
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 10:56 pm
Lucy says:
I’m curious, if I produced enough Planned Parenthoods in spotless condition would you then be accepting of legalized abortion? If not, then why the continued attention to the best that some places could do? Why not ask why they were in such conditions?
If a clean clinic would also be unacceptable then why keep behaving as though the conditions of cleanliness or not are important at all?
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 11:00 pm
mary kay says:
I personally couldn’t care less how clean they are, but I assume the point her is a counter attack to the argument that abortions are safe. I was the one that pointed out that a delivery room in an immaculate hospital would look similar. The thing that is haunting is that it is physical evidence of something that we only understand in the abstract, never having been in an abortion clinic. So, of course, we would expect to see blood everywhere, abortion is a bloody and deadly business. But to actually see it sends home how very real the horror is. If I saw a bar of soap made out of a holocaust victim, I imagine I would feel the same way. It’s just visual. It doesn’t change anything. It just confirms my conviction.
mk
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 11:11 pm
Lucy says:
They observe one clinic and decide that this is representative of all clinics? It wasn’t representative of the clinic that I was in. Nor was it representative of many clinics that I have heard of. I can assure you that I have no recollection of any horrible smells.
Yet, this is announced as though it is a scientific conclusion. Once again, this isn’t even a loose interpretation of science.
Comment posted August 7th, 2006 at 11:13 pm
Pansy Moss says:
Actually Lauren, I was thinking the same thing, such as an operating room for example. But I will say that I have never been to a doctor’s office, hotel room or hospital that stank.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 3:23 am
Pansy Moss says:
I’m curious, if I produced enough Planned Parenthoods in spotless condition would you then be accepting of legalized abortion?
Nope, abortion is still murder. If you starve a person or smother someone with a pillow, those are typically less bloody forms of murder, yet not any better.
This article isn’t a statement as to why we believe abortion is murder. These people bought this clinic to shut it down before they sprayed luminol everywhere. They didn’t think there would be blood everywhere, but that it would be in the condition you described above:
The fact that this is what was found is just more overwhelming evidence at how grissly abortion is. It is bad enough in the most sterile descriptions.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 3:52 am
Lucy says:
Pansy,
Does it stand to reason that you count yourself as a murderer since there is someone out there in the world that died of starvation? Should you not have been responsible for keeping them alive since you yourself have access to food?
Pansy, obviously everyone on here thinks that I am a murderer. The alleged stance is that abortion is murder and therefore a woman who acquires an abortion would be a murderer. Yet penalties are always lessened for the mother over the doctor she sought out, and who graciously obliged. What is it you hope to accomplish by not out right referring to women as murderers when you have them in your midst and they are not an emotional wreck?
Nothing that you have said justifies the treatment of observing one clinic as though it is a representation of all clinics. Have you been in a clinic? Do you know first hand what they smell like? I have been in one. It didn’t stink. The people were fine. I doubt there were blood stains on the floors and ceiling. The entire place was pretty sterile. I can’t deny the conditions that they found that one in, I’ve not seen.
I can tell you that there was at least one that did not fit the bill. I know stories of others. My personal experience says that to say that this place, if it is in the conditions claimed, is one of many, and cannot be declared a representative of all. It cannot be declared a representative of all because I am telling you that I have seen otherwise.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 9:31 am
Pansy Moss says:
Does it stand to reason that you count yourself as a murderer since there is someone out there in the world that died of starvation?
No. I did nothing in my power to force someone to die of starvation. If I withheld food from my children, and they died of such, then yes.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
Pansy Moss says:
Pansy, obviously everyone on here thinks that I am a murderer.
Nope. At least I don’t think about you personally that much. I don’t know you.
I think many women in the position where they feel abortion is an option are scared, and feel trapped that abortion is their only option. Abortion is a legal option. I think some women know better, and know they are chopping their own babies up into pieces, think it is wrong and do it anyway without any care. Some women do not know are in a panic. Some are coerced by others to abort. I cannot judge their motives. I have no way to judge where you fall on that scale and would rather not know. That is between you and your Higher Power.
I think abortion doctors are murderers as they do what they do for a lot of money, and I think abortion is legalised murder.
Nothing that you have said justifies the treatment of observing one clinic as though it is a representation of all clinics.
Because no one attempted to make that argument.
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 12:39 pm
lauren says:
I’ve been in three different abortion clinics, and all I can say is I’ve never smelled or seen anything. And no Mary Kay, it doesn’t make me comfortable, but if you’ve ever watched th eDiscovery channel for 5 minutes, most hotel rooms or doctor’s offices look exactly the same. I’m merely saying this is takne out of context
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
lauren says:
I’ve never seen an abortion that cost over 400 dollars. Are you telling me that is a lot of money for a surgical procedure?
No Pansy, your logic would say that women who have abortions are murderers. Don’t euphemize your harsh language. Are they or aren’t they? When you say chopped up into pieces, can you please tell me one instance where an abortion was administered with a butcher knife lol?
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 3:11 pm
Pansy Moss says:
No Pansy, your logic would say that women who have abortions are murderers. Don’t euphemize your harsh language. (LOL, you never use harsh language) Are they or aren’t they?
OK, come to whatever conclusions you wish. I am sure it makes you feel better to say “see, once again, see how persecuted I am that those people think women are murderers…”
But I look at it like this, for a sin to be a mortal sin there must be three conditions:
* Mortal sin is a sin of grave matter
* Mortal sin is committed with full knowledge of the sinner
* Mortal sin is committed with deliberate consent of the sinner
An equivalent would be in a court of law how Murder in the First Degree, Murder in the Second Degree, Voluntary Manslaughter , and Involuntary Manslaughterare differentiated. If I had to rate my own thoughts on the subject, I think many women who have abortions fall into the “Voluntary Manslaughter” range. (Of course my thoughts are on a moral, not legal basis as abortion is legal for now, but this is a comparison just for arguments sake).
Most women are either being very coerced into abortion, are so panicked by their circumstances, and/or do not have full knowledge of what abortion is. More of the blame lies withion the establishment that allows for legalised murder, and the doctors who chop up babies day after day and makes loads of money for it. In your own next statement, you said:
Therefore it is easy to assume you are ignorant of the procedure, and therefore ignorant of the gravity.
From abortionprocedure.org:
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 4:58 pm
mary kay says:
Lauren,
I have a price list from the albany clinic and an abortion at 24 weeks costs $1300.00. The guy who owns that clinic also own 32 other clinics, one here and 31 in California. He has been quoted as saying that if he had his way he would open free clinics in Mexico because Mexican (and black women) live off of our money and are dirty. If you add up 50 abortions a day, 4 days a week with 33 clinics…I’d say he’s making a lot of money off of someones misfortune, no?
MK
Comment posted August 8th, 2006 at 9:00 pm
mary kay says:
Lauren,
I also have a price list for how much each aborted baby part is worth. Did you know that an intact brain is worth a thousand dollars. But a fragmented one is only worth 30.00? Ironic, considering some people claim these babies don’t even have a brain…
How much more money is the clown that owns albany making off of baby parts?
Look him up. He’s quite well off. And all of his money was made off of the blood of innocents…
Edward Allred…I’m not making up his last name either…fitting, no?
MK
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 6:01 am
mary kay says:
Dr. Allred quote:
In an unguarded moment, Dr. Edward Allred, owner of the largest chain of abortion clinics in California, made his racist attitudes frighteningly clear:
Population control is too important to be stopped by some right-wing pro-life types. Take the new influx of Hispanic immigrants. Their lack of respect for democracy and social order is frightening. I hope I can do something to stem that tide; I’d set up a clinic in Mexico for free if I could . . . The survival of our society could be at stake . . . When a sullen black woman of 17 or 18 can decide to have a baby and get welfare and food stamps and become a burden to all of us it’s time to stop.(12)
Four years after Allred made these comments, Patricia Chacón, a sixteen-year-old Hispanic girl, and Mary Peña, a 43-year-old married Hispanic woman, both bled to death after having abortions performed by Allred. The autopsy reports do not disclose whether either woman was “sullen.”(13)
Other known deaths at Allred-owned clinics are those of Deanna Bell, a 13-year-old black girl; Josefina García, a 37-year-old Filipino woman; Laniece Dorsey, a 17-year-old black girl; and Joyce Orenzio, a 32-year-old Hawaiian woman.(14) Clearly, Dr. Allred has contributed more than his share to suppressing the population of minority women and their children.
mk
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 6:11 am
Pansy Moss says:
Look him up. He’s quite well off. And all of his money was made off of the blood of innocents…
Edward Allred…I’m not making up his last name either…fitting, no?
MK,
I got curious about the reputation of a person who makes such blatant remarks.
NTRA.com(stats and bios):
Kind of despicable considering he makes his money off of racial genocide. Reminds me of the Nazis.
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 7:43 am
Lucy says:
Pansy,
I didn’t think what I was doing was wrong. I knew it wasn’t. I knew I had a right to my life, and that nothing had the right to be in my body that I didn’t want to be there.
It is my understanding that you want to be my higher power Pansy.
From what we observed, there can be no such thing as a ‘safe, clean’ abortion clinic.”
Pansy, why is that every time I say something that you don’t like you call me a liar? Have I been one yet?
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 8:16 am
Lucy says:
Mary Kay,
The brain does not begin to develop until the fifth week.
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 8:18 am
Pansy Moss says:
Pansy, why is that every time I say something that you don’t like you call me a liar?
Where did I do that?
Have I been one yet?
God would know, not me.
And no, I don’t want to be your HP Lucy, for the 800th thousandth time. I see a baby where you do not.
Comment posted August 9th, 2006 at 9:00 am
Lucy says:
Pansy,
You also see a god where I do not. You have not proven either, nor offered evidence for either. I have offered evidence as to why your argument must be restrained until at least the fifth week, I think I was generous and offered a starting line at the fourth. Of course, there are plenty of reasons why that isn’t a good starting place as well. We’ll start with it is still inside of the woman.
Let’s see, for starters, I said that Quinn advocated the killing of abortion doctors and you said that I was crying wolf. Just here you told me that no one had said that this was representative of all clinics. There are more, but why bother.
I meant, have I not proven that I was telling the truth each time you suggested that I was lying?
What your god knows is unknown. I still don’t know for certain that you have a god. No proof has been offered.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 12:43 am
Lauren says:
Well considering all the girls that I know who had abortions, had medical ones and aborted in their homes, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about refering to the “selling of body parts”.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 8:34 am
Lauren says:
“But I look at it like this, for a sin to be a mortal sin there must be three conditions:
* Mortal sin is a sin of grave matter
* Mortal sin is committed with full knowledge of the sinner
* Mortal sin is committed with deliberate consent of the sinner”
And why do I care what your religion says? Why shoudl your religious laws apply to me when I dont believe them?
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 8:37 am
mary kay says:
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Lauren says:
Well considering all the girls that I know who had abortions, had medical ones and aborted in their homes, I’m not really sure what you’re talking about refering to the “selling of body parts”.
Comment posted August 10th, 2006 at 8:34 am
Then you’re friends did not have their abortions in a clinic. In a clinic, the babies are sucked through vacuum hoses, soaked in a saline solution and delivered whole, ripped to pieces and scooped out, or delivered up to the neck at which point a scissors is placed into the base of there skull so that they can suck out the childs brain and collapse it’s skull so that it is born dead.
voila! baby parts.
mk
Comment posted August 11th, 2006 at 9:08 pm
mary kay says:
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Lucy says:
Mary Kay,
The brain does not begin to develop until the fifth week.
I don’t know what this refers to. But if you mean that you believe abortions are fine only up to the point that a brain is developed, then very few abortions would take place as very few woman even know they are pregnant yet.
mk
Comment posted August 11th, 2006 at 9:10 pm
lauren says:
Mary Kay, does that describe all abortions in all trimesters?
Comment posted August 14th, 2006 at 3:23 pm