World estimations of the number of terminations carried out each year is somewhere between 20 and 88 million.

3,500 per day / 1.3 million per year in America alone.

50% of that 1.3 million claimed failed birth control was to blame.

A further 48% had failed to use any birth control at all.

And 2% had medical reasons.

That means a stagering 98% may have been avoided had an effective birth control been used.

Australia (with a population of 20 million) terminated over 100 thousand young people last year. I’ve done the figures and Australia do more per head.

Abortion has got to be by far the Mother of all holicosts, the most extensive crime against humanity the world has ever seen.

Though it pains me to say it but, there may always be a need for the 2% medical reasons and such, but that’s all.

So how do we get the other 98% to be responsible……………….

How do we get them to be honest with themselves, about when life begins.

Everyone knows it starts at conception, egg+sperm = human being

Sadly many frefer the odd termination over using birth control, they have all kinds of reasons, each of them selfish.

Then there’s the christian impossition,(all a bit talibanish), and their men in high places.(church and state should never entwine) their stance against b/c has only added to the numbers.

Sanity must provale, abortions should remain available and safe to the 2% and the rest need to have a good look at themselves and get their act together.

Have you seen ( HOT OFF THE SHOW! Throw-away babies )

It’s a blog by Sharon Hughes?

I said: Anyone who has had an abortion is automatically excommunicated from the Catholic church.

Using contraception with knowledge of the Catholic churches teaching is a grave sin. Grave sin means no longer in a state of grace. No state of grace…no Eucharist

I was writing really fast and thought that I had made it clear that “knowledge of the Catholic churches teaching” applied to both…

apparently I wasn’t very clear…Lauren and I covered quite a lot of boards last night and I’m afraid some of it was done in shorthand…that’s why I’ve asked her to talk offline. We exchanged e-mail addresses, so some of the more upsetting stuff should be kept off of the site. I hope. I really believe Lauren could benefit from this site, but we’re all going to have to be patient.

Thanks for the correction. I hope Lauren sees it and understands.
Wouldn’t it be awful if it got around Loyola that I said everyone was excommunicated? yikes!

MK

MK,

There’s a need for clarification here. As with any other excommunicable offense, any Catholic involved with an abortion must know prior to going through with it that doing so has the penalty of excommunication attached to it.

If a Catholic is unaware that facilitating an abortion is excommunicable, he or she is not excommunicated.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2270-2272, discuss abortion. 2272 explains why involvement with abortion is excommunicable:

Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,” “by the very commission of the offense,” and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

See also:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a5.htm#I

During a Sept. 28 meeting at his summer villa in Castel Gandolfo, south of Rome, Pope Benedict welcomed Hans-Henning Horstmann as Germany’s new ambassador to the Vatican.

Faith, the pope told him, increases people’s commitment to the common good, which is marked by defending the life and dignity of all people, including those of other faiths and cultures.

“The church does not impose itself,” the pope said. “It does not force anyone to accept the Gospel message because faith in Jesus Christ, whom the church proclaims, can only happen in freedom. For this reason, encounters with others must be marked by tolerance and cultural openness.”

This came from the Vatican on September 28th.

Willfully classifying a group of people with intentions as good as yours Pansy, does not achieve what you are saying you are trying to achieve. I’m not really sure how liberalism tolerates racism. Racism to me is one of the things I find most ugly; and I’m fairly liberal. I think our ideas of what tolerance is and what tolerance means to us are different things. I meant tolerating other view points and other religions. The world will not continue to exist if we don’t to some degree tolerate. I’m not saying tolerance is indifference. However, I do believe that tolerating at the very least dissenting views is necessary. If you don’t tolerate dissenting views what should you do? Send them away? Brainwash them? I’m just having a hard time understanding what it is you think the Catholic Church should do. If the Catholic Church is really on God’s side, shouldn’t the word of the church or the Bible silence by default those that you view satanic anyways?

The Church does not teach “tolerance”. The Church teaches loving others as you love yourselves.

Tolerance:1 : capacity to endure pain or hardship

Liberals use the word “tolerance” and “diversity” to mean “acceptable racism and classism. The Catholic Church teaches people to see everyone as God’s children, not to tolerate them like you do a colonsocopy.

If anyone has to “tolerate” me and my family because we are a different race than them, then they should not be breathing my air space.

It also does not mean you “tolerate” immoral behaviour. Social justice, which is a Catholic teaching, means you defend those who cannot defend themselves, not turn the other way when innocents are getting murdered.

Tolerance never had anyplace in any Catholic thought.

I agree. People of all faiths should enter into dialogue. But and institution that calls itself Catholic should still remain true to it’s name. You can discuss different faith systems without inviting people to speak at your school who represent behaviors that are completely anti-catholic. Can you see the difference.

If I was a Jewish school, I would never invite a former nazi who still believed that Jews should be killed to read poetry at my school. I might invite a Catholic to speak at the school if it was done respectfully, or a Muslim to explain why Muslims do what they do when they go extreme…but not a nazi sympathizer…
You see?

MK

http://world.christianpost.com/article/20061014/25263.htm

I don’t believe the church should bend to the ways of the world. It should bend to what is right however. It has done that for over 1000 years. I’m not making a judgement on abortion in regards to the church’s opinion. I’m just saying, truth is absolute and if the church does change its mind, which it has done and still does, they obviously aren’t entirely based in absolute truth.

I just dont think that this is the best way to have a discussion about the values of the church by having a bunch of dittoheads (ugh, i can’t believe i referenced rush) running around Loyola’s campus. Loyola’s campus is diverse and made up of people from various faiths and nonfaiths. The world and sadly nor the church will ever get anything done in terms of justice if it alienates allies who may not agree on all points.

As for forgiveness, you obviously don’t understand the word. The sacrament of confession is there for anyone, with any sin on their soul, including abortion, to seek forgiveness. Forgiveness, however, cannot be granted to someone who is not sorry.

Go to confession with a contrite heart, ask forgiveness, be absolved, go to communion.

And for the record, the Catholic church does hold the patent on truth. That’s why those of us who truly believe defend it so. Because it is the Truth, it must be protected at all costs lest it be watered down into a social program. Loyola is making grave errors and if it were a person instead of an institution it too would be excommunicated. Ignatius must be rolling over in his grave…

If the Catholic church bends to the ways of the world, then what good is it? It ceases to be unique and dies. The whole point of it is that it is a beacon of light in a dark, dark world.

It is in the world but not of the world. Changing the church is like telling Jesus that you are the teacher and He is the student…and I need lessons in humility?

MK

Well if that’s true about the “grave sin” there’s a ton of people walking up to get Eucharist who are currently taking birth control.

I’m a cafeteria Catholic myself. I agree generally with the issues of tolerance, social justice, and charity. As far as other things go, we are at odds.

I can by the way, call myself what I want to call myself. You too can call me what you want.

Catholic schools do have the right to do offer thinking different from their own. Why shouldn’t they? Catholics don’t hold the patent on truth. You can choose to attend more conservative Catholic schools if you wish. I am going to Loyola and my mother teaches there because we believe in social justice. I love Loyola, and I wouldn’t have it any other way. I have scoffed at what some priests have said in my time at Loyola. That’s life. In fact, that’s what makes Loyola a university. It enables you to think, to disagree, and most importantly to challenge.

In the meantime, I’m fairly certain Loyola will still call itself a Catholic school despite your protestations.

Anyone who has had an abortion is automatically excommunicated from the Catholic church.

Using contraception with knowledge of the Catholic churches teaching is a grave sin. Grave sin means no longer in a state of grace. No state of grace…no Eucharist.

Just because people say that they are Catholic doesn’t mean that they are. I can say I’m a peach, but I’m not. To be a practicing Catholic you must practice. Enough practice and you may even get it right one day…

That said, A Catholic school has no business teaching things (or offering things like poetry readingsby former abortionists) that endorse non-catholic thinking. If I’m willing to pay the extra dollar for a Catholic Education, then I expect to get a Catholic Education…If a secular school wants to dance naked under the moon light while eating twinkies, they can go right ahead. But the minute you put the word Catholic in front of the word Education, then you represent an institution that must live up to the title. I say to you and all the students and educators at Loyola and and to the school itself: If you can’t live up to the Catholic name, then remove it. Stop calling yourselves Catholic and stop claiming to be a Catholic school. Then you can do whatever you want.

MK

Heck, there is a big Planned Parenthood accross the street from Rogers Park campus and I have never seen or heard of anyone at the University offer a Catholic hand to the women going in there.

With the tuition they chrage they have a moral obligation to give their students what their name says they will; a REAL Catholic education This is neo-pagan rediculousness.

Shame on them.

This is truly saddening. But at least one alumnus is speaking out (you) plus another (Annie) about these things. Getting together with other LUC graduates who think the same way could bear fruit, so that is one good option for you.

I’ll admit I was confused while reading your post, trying ot figure out where the former abortion provider stood on the issue…until I read her quotes. I made the mistake of assuming that FORMER abortion providers logically have a change of heart when they stop killing babies.

I can only hope that other alumni are able to put some positive pressure on the school. However, because the school has opened itself up to so many non- or nominal Christians, it can’t return to the values on which it was founded without irking its current student body and threatening profitability. It’s a shame.