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How true and yet how very sad this is.

I do, however, agree that a lot of pro-lifers are unnecessarily
aggressive and vindictive towards people but I don’t disagree with the use of showing pictures of an actual aborted fetus.
People need to be aware of the truth, no matter how grisly it may be. Yes, it does upset a lot of people but it’s supposed to. You shouldn’t feel good about seeing these images anymore than you should be about seeing footage of starving children in Africa. These images force people to question their own ethics, which is why a lot of pro-choicers attempt to destroy or conceal these images when made public. They don’t want to be reminded of what it is that they’re actually doing; it’s better to remain emotionless when you’re supporting something that’s so repulsive and unjust.

Despite your claim that we should only worry about ourselves,
I don’t believe God wants us to go through life turning a blind-eye to all the atrocities in the world.

And by the way, every point you try to make is disregarded by people because you seem to have no respect for anyone else’s beliefs but your own..callilng most priests child molesters and referring to the pope as just another “joe.” Have some more respect for other people’s beliefs and you just might get people to listen to you.

It’s good to hear from you again!

I don’t have time to write much now, and since Molly and Margaret have already made some excellent points, I won’t write much more except to add that we believe it’s absolutely necessary to reach out to women who have had abortions (and to men whose girlfriends or wives have had abortions; or anyone else who has been involved with abortion) and let them know that there is help and healing available.

As for your comments about the Bible, as you know, there are lots of reasons out there to doubt the Bible, and there are lots of reasons to try and disregard certain things Jesus said.

Jesus gave us a lot of hard teachings in the Gospels, like the idea that we are to eat His flesh and drink His blood. In fact, after He gave this teaching, “many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him” (John 6).

A lot of the things Jesus said are really hard to believe — and even harder to put into practice. But, they’re all true. Jesus said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). If Jesus is The Truth, then all of His words are true, and we can trust them, because we can trust Him.

You’re right — the world isn’t black and white. That’s why God didn’t just give us the Bible; He also gave us the Church, which helps us know what He is telling us through the Bible and other teachings passed down through Tradition.

God bless

You are right in the sense that the pro-life movement should not be about judging others. And as Molly said, that is not our goal However, if our country went along with the logic “let everyone do whatever they please as long as they feel okay about it,” our country would not have any laws at all!
How could we have any laws? After all, every deed that an individual does, whether good or bad, is their personal decision. What if an impoverished mother sincerely believed that a child was not a unique and precious human being until it could speak for itself? Could we really stop her from killing her nine month old baby? After all, we know that she would not take such a decision lightly. She could be (and most likely would be) in a horrible position. Is it not her choice as caretaker of the child?
In that light, why do we have any animal protection laws? Animals are not even human! I am sure that the people who abuse animals do not think they are doing anything seriously wrong. Where do we get the right to “judge” them in court?

The answer of course is this: While we should never personaly judge the worth or value of a human being based on what we know about them or what they believe (we are not mind readers; we do not know everything going through someones mind when they make a decsion), we should absolutely strive to see that no individual does something to harm another. As a just society we have the responsibility to protect every innocent life, especially those who can not protect themselves. In fact, we should go a step further and help those who feel trapped into committing a wrong so those individuals can choose the right thing. If a mother is so bad off that she is debating killing her child, we should offer her other options so she knows she doesn’t have to.
Fact is, abortion kills a living human being. Does that automatcally mean that the dead baby’s mother is a “bad” person? No. Does that make killing a child the right thing to do? No.

Our goal is not to make people feel guilty, but to offer support and comfort to those who are hurting, and make sure it doesn’t happen to anyone else. We’re not trying to take free will away; people can choose whether or not to obey laws. We just don’t understand why something that is tragic for multiple people and ends in death for an innocent is legal. However, your post has reminded us that we need to make sure we reach out with compassion and not anger or judegment.

All I have to say Mr. Jansen “He who is without sin shall cast the first stone”

People I am prolife but i do not believe it is up to us to “save the world” God gave everyone free will… you have to learn that you can’t save everyone. Worry about yourself. Do you really think that Jesus would want you to take a picture of a dead fetus to a high school? (this happend to my brothers school here in chicago). Kids experiment when they are young and sometimes make really bad mistakes. But imagine if a girl had an abortion and saw these pictures at her school.. what if she decided she couldn’t live with herself anymore… and wanted to end her life? This has happened in the past … and its on your shoulder!! and it was on mine as well at one point! I couldn’t live with that. God forgive all. And i know your answer to this already “we are just trying to inform people” Well they alread know… let them decide for themselves they are the only ones who have to answer at the end… who are we to judge … your probably say “I dont judge” but my being out in front of a abortion clinic praying silently or loudly you are throwing verble invisible stones. Jesus does not want that. I am not mad at you Mr. Jansen (or anyone who believes this way) I’m simply saying would Jesus really want you to talk down to people who believe something different? Free Will

Lauren, I’m not referring to what’s “alive”, I’m talking about what a human being is.
Sperm or ovums do not posses the requirements to be a human being, rather they’re potential human beings.
Once a sperm fertilizes and ovum a human life is already formed; as I stated previously, the only thing that changes from this point on is the form the human takes: from zygote to Blastocyst to embryo to fetus to infant to child to adolescent to adult to geriatric.
There is no “Life Fairy” that waves her wand over us when we pop out of our mothers womb, making us a human. Everything we are comprised of started at fertilization and we gain nothing else onwards, we just grow

You. Must. Be. Kidding.

Is that the best you can do?

“how can you possibly convince anyone who isn’t a religious zealous maniac that that constitutes living, breathing, feeling, thinking, life..”

Margaret has already spoken to your question rather cogently, but let me add this:

Why don’t you ask the Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League? Or the anonymous blogger at The Raving Atheist?

Um, what?

That the life of a new human being is brought into existence at conception is a biological fact recognized even by intellectually honest abortion advocates.

Consider, for instance, these remarks given in London in 1999 by Judith Arcana—who, you may recall, spoke at Loyola last year (Arcana is a former member of The Abortion Counseling Service of the Chicago Women’s Liberation Union—better known by its nickname, “Jane”—a group that performed illegal abortions in Chicago during a roughly five year period prior to the Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton Supreme Court decisions in 1973):

I think there is a need for us to talk more about what it is we are doing, when we carry out or support abortion. We – in the states – have dealt heavily, up to now, in euphemism. I think one of the reasons why the ‘good guys’ – the people in favor of abortion rights – lost a lot of ground is that we have been unwilling to talk to women about what it means to abort a baby. We don’t ever talk about babies, we don’t ever talk about what is being decided in abortion. We never talk about responsibility. The word ‘choice’ is the biggest euphemism. Some use the phrases ‘products of conception’ and ‘contents of the uterus,’ or exchange the word ‘pregnancy’ for the word ‘fetus.’ I think this is a mistake tactically and strategically, and I think it’s wrong.. And indeed, it has not worked – we have lost the high ground we had when Roe was decided.

My objection here is not only that we have lost ground, but also that our tactics are not good ones; they may even constitute bad faith. It is morally and ethically wrong to do abortions without acknowledging what it means to do them. I performed abortions, I have had an abortion and I am in favor of women having abortions when we choose to do so. But we should never disregard the fact that being pregnant means there is a baby growing inside of a woman, a baby whose life is ended. We ought not to pretend this is not happening.

Obviously, I couldn’t possibly disagree more strongly with her regarding the morality of abortion. Still, at least she acknowledges the basic facts of human biology.

In an earlier comment, Margaret recommended you check out “In the Womb”, a documentary produced by National Geographic—hardly an entity one could accuse of churning out pro-life propaganda!

I echo Margaret’s recommendation.

The scientific definition of a human life is this: A human must be composed of metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction. A person fulfills all these requirements once they’re conceived. Nothing changes but your “form” until you die.
So, Lauren, your argument is not a logical one since you’re only claiming it to be inhuman due to it’s appearance and environment, which is purely based on a bias and not scientific facts.

It’s true that people, through out history, have always found a group to segregate and deem as “less human” and their own group.
This happened, most infamously, to the Jews, black people, Asians and even women. Now we’re repeating our old ways but this time it’s to unborn children.

When Planned Parenthood leaves the unborns alone than we’ll leave them alone, deal?