A Great Story on Pro-Life Politics!
— Posted by Christina (September 2, 2008 at 3:43 pm)
I am very interested in this year’s elections and how they are going to turn out, and I am trying to do as much as possible to help see to it that we elect pro-life politicians, especially the President.
So when I was at my local fair this summer, helping tend the pro-life booth there, I jumped at the opportunity to approach the people who were tending the Democrat booth, and ask them if they knew, and were comfortable with, the extreme pro-abortion views of Barack Obama.
This was definitely going to be a new experience for me, and I was actually a little nervous. I knew, however, that I really wanted to do this, so I began making my way over to the booth. Another thing that unnerved me a little was the fact that I was going to be talking with experienced democrates, well-versed and perhaps trained in all the views of their party. They weren’t manning that booth for nothing.
I have not had a bunch of experience with talking with such trained people, and here I am this teenager! But I knew that I have a pretty good understanding of the various issues on abortion, and that I have gained quite a bit of experience about how to effectively discuss and debate from all the college students that I have talked to over the years. So I felt adequately equipped to take on Southwest Washington’s Democratic Party!
Whew! Before I even approached this booth, however, I expressly made a rule to not let the converstation get heated, and to not be overbearing or imposing or aggressive. I was just there to quietly ask these people how they can accept and support a candidate who so passionately supports the killing of innocent children.
The lady who I mainly talked to was in her fifties, and was a nice person. She appreciated me and my concerns, and gave me her time. We will call her Pat. I started out by asking her if she knew that Obama supports infanticide. She denied knowing it, and wanted to see authorization on this particular claim. I promised to provide it for her through email.
Then I mentioned Obama’s support for abortion. Pat immediately jumped in with this: “When did he say he supports abortion? I never heard him say that!” Wow! I just knew that these were going to be experienced Democrats!
I could only promise again to send her authorization confirming that Obama does support abortion!
But dosen’t this sound weird? And it got even weirder! When I eventually asked Pat if she supports choice, she said yes. So I asked, “Choice of what?” And she answered, “Life!”
The only way that I could get it out of her that Obama supports abortion was by asking her if he supports Roe vs. Wade. She had to say yes to this, and she had to admit that therefore he did indirectly support abortion. Can you believe all this? I couldn’t!
It was almost as if I was speaking to a pro-life person and a pro-life candidate, the way Pat was talking. She was too ashamed to admit to me that she and Obama support abortion. I just can’t get over how adamantly she refused to say that she supports abortion! She probably really believes that she does not support it.
Either that or she was just an extremely experienced Democrat, and that’s why she was in that booth!
Anyway, so now comes the best and most awesome question that I asked Pat. I wanted to know how I should be expected to confidantly vote for Obama, when he supports Roe vs. Wade, which could have legally killed me, since I am nineteen. And so Obama would have supported my death! How, I demanded, could I trust such a man?
Whoa! This was the worst question for Pat, and she DID NOT want to have to deal with that one! Again and again, I asked her it, and again and again she tried to take me off on some other course of conversation. But I would not be satisfied until I could have this question answered.
So we did discuss many other things, but at the end of the converstation, I asked the above-mentioned question once more, and said I needed an answer. She then admitted that yes, that one could not be sorted out!!!
Wow!
I’m finding that this particular question is absolutely magic, especially if you’re a teenager, and are standing right there demanding how Obama can ask for your vote and at the same time declare that he supports legalized abortion, which could have killed you! I first got the idea of asking this question from Fr. Frank Pavone. I especially love it because it concerns each of us personally, and it makes the abortion issue become alive and personal. The reality of what abortion does really comes out in this question. It is no longer a far-away right or choice, but something that kills people.
Pat and I covered many other things in our conversation, and it is my hope that I gave her much to think about. One question that they asked me in the beginning was if a woman should be able to get an abortion after being raped. I looked them in the eye and said in answer, “No child should have to die for the crime of his father!” They stopped dead for one or two seconds and then said, “That’s right.” Sweet!
All in all, they must have been wondering what made me tick and how I knew so well how to meet their toughest arguments. I was just grateful that I could feel confident enough to take them on, and am very glad I did. Besides giving them some things to rethink about supporting Obama, I learned a ton about how those advanced pro-abortion people think, and how to best converse with them. It was only one half-hour, but it was a learning-packed half-hour!
I am thankful to Pat for giving me her time, and I even think that she enjoyed it. We had a great coversation, and I very much hope and pray that she will support life and those candidates who support life!
It’s been great telling you all this story, and let me know what you think!
God bless.
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RSD says:
Christina..thank you for this wonderful story and for getting up the nerve to talk to these Democrats on their own turf.
I believe that a majority of these people are just mis-informed or are blindly being led by Obama’s charisma and meteoric rise to fame(?)…..BUT like a fragile balloon full of hot air…one well placed arguement (like abortion or Infanticide) can and will deflate this candidate back to earth.
Comment posted September 3rd, 2008 at 9:50 am
Germaine says:
Well said RSD!!! Christina, God bless you! I don’t know if I’d have been as tenacious with the democrat lady nor even have had the courage to speak to her! I will have to try out that question! I never have thought to use it before when arguing about abortion, but it is very relevant and as you say brings the reality of what abortion is close to home. God bless!
Comment posted September 3rd, 2008 at 6:01 pm
petrufied says:
Hi Christina, your post made me happy.
To think a teen can make people rethink about the issue… I hope more of the youth would speak up.
Here in the Philippines, we’re trying to fight the Reproductive Health Bill which is being proposed in congress. This bill is their “solution” to “overpopulation” and it’s supposed to legalize contraceptives as “essential medicine.” Sigh. Many people I know are indifferent to the issue and I can’t think of any more ways to convince them that the bill is not a solution to anything.
Comment posted September 3rd, 2008 at 10:28 pm
Christina says:
Petrufied,
God bless your great work in the Philipines! We’re praying for you!
I know what you mean; I HATE that overpopulation myth!! How do they expect people who die to be replaced?
And look at China. They have been taking aggressive measures to reduce their population by abortion, and now they have a huge problem of way more boys than girls in their population!
Thank you all for your very encouraging and supportive comments on this post! I just loved this story so much that I had to share it with you.
God bless.
Comment posted September 4th, 2008 at 10:30 am
Molly says:
“I know what you mean; I HATE that overpopulation myth!! How do they expect people who die to be replaced?”
I’m interested in hearing more about this issue. I know that most pro-lifers think overpopulation is a myth, but all I ever hear from either side regarding it is “Yes it’s true!!” “No it isn’t!!”. I’d appreciate some links on this subject if anyone knows of any.
Comment posted September 15th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
John says:
Molly—
Thanks for asking.
This article by Dr. Jacqueline Kasun — which also appears in abbreviated form in the updated edition of our Pro-Life Curriculum — addresses a number of overpopulation myths.
Early on in the article, it notes:
“If you allotted 1,250 square feet to each person, all the people in the world would fit into the state of Texas. Try the math yourself: 7,438,152,268,800 square feet in Texas, divided by the world population of 5,860,000,000, equals 1269 square feet per person. The population density of this giant city would be about 21,000 somewhat more than San Francisco and less than the Bronx.”
She must have written this article some time in the mid to late 90s, as the world’s population passed the six billion mark several years ago, but the math is still more or less accurate.
Here’s another (much shorter) article — “The Bomb That Fizzled” — also from the late 90s, but again, the math is more or less accurate.
We’ve also blogged about overpopulation a few times in the past. This one explains why handwringing over supposed “overpopulation” is silly.
And this one looks at the dark history of the connection between the “pro-choice” movement and the population control movement, and the desire by some currently in the “pro-choice” movement to gloss over this history:
One of my co-workers, Eric Scheidler, also addresses the subject of supposed overpopulation — and some of the more frightening ideas expressed by those who are genuinely concerned about it, here.
Comment posted September 16th, 2008 at 7:36 am
Mike says:
I have come up with a list of my own loaded questions to ask Pro-Aborts. You can find the list here…
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=2601404
Mike
Comment posted September 21st, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Mike says:
Christina,
I would also refer Pat to read Jill Stanek’s Blog. Jill has posted much information on Obama’s vote over the last two months on her Blog.
Also, please send Pat this video of Gianna Jessen, a aborted baby who survived…
http://www.jillstanek.com/archives/2008/09/gianna_jessen_o.html
Mike
Comment posted September 21st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Kim says:
Bless you, Christina!
Keep up the great work, I’ll be praying for you as you reach others with the truth. You might also refer people to the stories of Lee Ezell (who had been raped and gave her baby up for adoption). Lee was able to meet her daughter, Julie. Julie’s husband thanked Lee for not aborting her so he could have Julie as his wife. Then there’s the story of Rebecca Kiessling who was a girl who found out that her birth resulted in a rape. She was adopted also and got to meet her biological mom. Both Lee and Rebecca are Christians.
I know of a lady who was born as a result of a rape. When people tell me that they believe in exceptions to abortion in the case of rape and incest. I ask them, “So should I tell my friend that she doesn’t have the right to exist? Her husband and children would have a problem with that. SHE would have a problem with that!”
That does startle and make them think when I ask that. I add, “How many people do you know and love who may kept the details of their conception a secret though fear of being judged?” Some who are adopted may not even know.
We have 30 years worth of abortion lies and ingrained thinking on eugenics/population control myths but we must persist in breaking down the barriers.
I am inspired by you! Do you have a lot of like-minded friends?
Sister-in-Christ,
Kim
Comment posted September 23rd, 2008 at 5:35 am
Christina says:
Kim,
Thank you so much! It’s always so great to hear from you all who read my posts, and to know that I can help inspire you for this great cause!
You just gave me some more great ideas on how to respond to people who think that abortion should be legal in cases of rape! And yes, I totally agree that, despite pro-abortion people thinking that rape cases are some of the best cases for abortion, these cases just absolutely DO NOT need abortions to solve them! Besides killing the innocent baby concieved, an abortion would only add to the mother’s pain, regret, and guilt.
The abortion business uses rape victims to furthur their cause.
Thank you again, and do watch for my next post here about another great pro-life story!
God bless.
Comment posted October 4th, 2008 at 10:32 pm